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Bruce Ebling
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Initially Posted - 01/20/2003 : 20:43:00

I have been on the hunt for a west coast wing keel and have run into two diesel models. Does anyone have any experience with these models?They seem to be more expensive than the outboard models. Pros....Cons. Any idea of price range of say 1990 model?? Any help would be appreciated.
Bruce Ebling
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Response Posted - 01/20/2003 : 21:46:06

Bruce
I looked at a couple of diesels here in St. Louis. I was told they were very underpowered. Also the diesel takes up some room and the berth area is small. The ones I looked at were 1998 models? (not sure) and were priced about $17,000. Here in St. Louis an inboard adds about 3 to 4 thousand to the price of the boat. I'm told that unless you sail in rough water to skip the inboard and get a good outboard. I'm told that in rough water the inboard does not come out of the water as an outboard will. On the ocean I think that if the space problem was not a problem and if you got a price within 3 to 4 thousand of a similar boat I'd go for it.

Robert B. Arrowood

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 01/21/2003 : 00:08:19

One of my co-workers had a WK C25 with the inboard diesel... he absolutely loved it. He and his wife trailered it to Mexico and Cruised the Sea of Cortez several times.. for a couple weeks at a time. They finally sold it, upgraded to a 38 footer, did the Baja Ha-ha.. and at last report were cruising tropical waters somewhere.

IMHO The inboard turns the C25 into a pretty darn complete 'coastal cruiser'.

One thing about the inboard, when you pull up to the ramp, you're pretty well set to go... no outboard to wrestle. Another good thing (as was noted) is that they don't cavitate when the swells get steep. A third benefit is that the engine weight is where it belongs.. down low and fairly well amidships. No raising/lowering either.. it's down all the time.

Downside.. more expensive, takes up some room, prop drag... and if you do need to work on it, you can't just drop it off at a shop.

But what the heck, If you don't sail bigger waters.. likely an outboard is the way to go. If ocean sailing is in the picture, the Diesel would be darn nice.

One of my big regrets in life is not buying his boat.. (kicks self) he would have sold it to me for $10K... (kicks self) and it was absolutely mint. (pulls hair) I was just getting started sailing and thought I needed a smaller boat. I ended up with the Venture 23..
(claws eyes out)

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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jwilliams
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Response Posted - 01/21/2003 : 12:26:11

Hey all,

Curious. Is the diesel like an atomic 4, or is that gas? I have no experience with inboards.

Jim Williams
Hey Jude C25fk 2958
Half Moon Bay, CA

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 01/21/2003 : 12:33:03

The Atomic 4 is gas.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/21/2003 : 12:36:53

An Atomic 4 is an inboard mounted engine which runs strictly on regular gasoline, and altogether different than a inboard diesel engine.

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Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 01/21/2003 : 12:44:14

Hi Bruce,

I had a 1986/swing keel/diesel.

Here she is "Halimede". What is a Halimede anyway? I never knew.

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The diesel is accessible but tight. Most of the service points are on the front or right side of the engine.

The oil is drained from a hose that is fitted to the bottom of the oil pan.

I sold that boat because the previous owner was messy at servicing it and the boat smelled like diesel oil.

I busted my butt cleaning every inch of the interior and the cushions. I never could get the smell out.

I believe a more neatly maintained boat wouldn't smell so badly.

Do the nose test if deisel smell bothers you.

As for performance...It was GREAT!!! My boat had a 3 bladed prop. I think the cruising range was like 300 miles on 9 gallons.

Paul

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 01/21/2003 : 15:25:44

Heh heh... Tom's boat (the diesel C25) was immaculately maintained... and smelled.. well,(IMHO here) like a 'real' vessel should.

The (very faint) smell of diesel.. mixed with coffee, human habitation, cooking, and maybe just a hint of fish... is like perfume to me.

I spent quite a bit of my youth working on and around fishing boats... some of my fondest memories are captured in those smells.

Now... as far as current spouse liking those odors.... well, that's another matter!

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/21/2003 : 15:48:46

"What is a Halimede anyway?" - Paul

After a quick net search, it appears that the name "Halimede" in mythology means "salty", but it is also the genus of a type of crab.

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Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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Douglas
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Response Posted - 01/21/2003 : 17:40:33

Someone say diesel<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b2ce30b3127cce9159c2b745920000001410" border=0>

Doug&Ruth
Triska (Alberg 29)
Tacoma Wa.

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Shelby
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Response Posted - 01/21/2003 : 18:59:50

My C25 came with an inboard gas Volvo Penta and it was nice when it was running. Hard to find parts and very difficult to work on. Diesel may be easier. Anyway, I now have a Honda 9.9, although the Volvo is still installed.

Shelby
'82 C25 "Third S", # 3208, SKSR, Honda 9.9, Lake Pleasant, AZ

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/21/2003 : 19:39:43

On our next boat, my wife wants a Vin Diesel.

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Don Lucier, 'North Star'
C25 SR/FK
Cradled on the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 01/21/2003 : 20:10:50

Vin's real name is probably, Polly Prissypants.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Hey Don. Thanks for the definition of Halimede. Ironically my zodiac sign is the crab.

My next boat will be named Halimede II. BUT, I am afraid of renaming a boat. I don't want to upset the gods.

Paul

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jwilliams
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Response Posted - 01/22/2003 : 12:06:36

Hey Paul,

I'm told renaming a boat is easy, all you need is some booze and a virgin...

Seems like Val has the formula in his memorybanks.

Jim Williams
Hey Jude C25fk 2958
Half Moon Bay, CA

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/22/2003 : 12:59:45

"I'm told renaming a boat is easy, all you need is some booze and a virgin..." - Jim

Jim,

With you living in California, I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem getting the booze, but finding the other item for the renaming might be a tad difficult! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
C25 SR/FK
Cradled on the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 01/22/2003 : 20:12:54

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