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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 09/24/2013 : 19:52:22

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 09/24/2013 20:05:06

Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 09/25/2013 : 05:36:42

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Peregrine
 [quote]Neither Steve Milby nor Dave has owned an Assoc. boat of any kind for DECADES!!
I repeat D-E-C-A-D-E-S !!!!
They have no say in the governance of the Assoc. only their misguided opinions.

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Well, to be accurate, it has been about one decade since I have owned a C25, but during that time I have been a dues-paying member, and have continued to promote the Association and it's activities and have freely shared what I learned about the C25 during the 23 years that I owned one and was a member of the Association. My membership in the Association goes back to it's inception.

But this isn't about me or Dave. It's about whether you should advance to the office of Commodore. In an earlier post, which you subsequently deleted, but which many members saw before you deleted it, you revealed that Russ, our present Commodore, "took my (Milby's) side" on the issue at a recent officers' meeting, and "attacked" you. Other members who know you and/or your history with the Association have privately indicated their agreement with me, but are reluctant to do so on the record, and I will respect their decision to keep their opinion private until they decide otherwise, or until you "out" them on the issue, as you did the Commodore.

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shnool
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Response Posted - 09/25/2013 : 06:04:39

Back on topic...
*Has any regional club offered to host a 2014 nationals (since this started back in February 2013)?
*If the answer to the above is NO, has any NON fleet offered to host a 2014 nationals?

If there is anyone left who is actually reading this thread (unlikely - congrats on that folks)... with a show of "aye" who would travel, say 8-10 hours from their home to participate in a nationals with their Catalina 25, 250, or Capri 25?

By the way: "Aye!"

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 09/25/2013 : 08:16:50

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Peregrine
 [quote]Neither Steve Milby nor Dave has owned an Assoc. boat of any kind for DECADES!!
I repeat D-E-C-A-D-E-S !!!!
They have no say in the governance of the Assoc. only their misguided opinions.

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...But this isn't about me or Dave. It's about whether you should advance to the office of Commodore.... <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

After I got home I re-read my post and want to clarify what I was trying to say.

NNNNOOOO!!! <s>You are absolutely wrong!!!!</s> This post is about if someone had stepped up to host the Nationals.

This post started out with Prospector asking the simple question "Has anyone stepped up to host this year? Part of me hopes its close enough for me to truck the boat there. Part of me fear that if its close enough, I'll end up trucking the boat there".

<s>This post has been hi-jacked and turned into an attack on one person who may or may not be doing what they are supposed to do as vice-commodore.</s> This post has been hijacked and turned into a shouting match between two people who obviously don't see eye to eye. Frankly, I DON'T CARE ANYMORE!!!!

All of this arguing is doing NOTHING to promote racing OR this Association. What it is doing is turning a lot of people OFF!!

Can <s>you</s> both of you not see that this endless arguing is damaging this association, not promoting it! If you really cared about this association and were trying to "promote" it like both of you say you are you'd a) argue this out in the International Association Business "Forum Complaints" section as Russ has asked us to do, and b) Let it go! You've explained your feelings over and over and over. I think we all know how you feel!

Steve, the question that keeps coming to my mind as I've read through these posts over the past several weeks is "Why do you care"! You haven't owned a C25 for 10 years and unless you borrowed someone's boat you would not be racing in the Nationals if there ever is another nationals.

Peregrine, you as a Vice Commodore should take the high road and not engage in responding to the "comments". Instead listen to the comments, ask for feedback from the members, and work to come to a mutual agreement on how to proceed going forward.

What have YOU done to promote a nationals event?

Dave Bristle as well as a couple of other people have thrown out some good ideas that in my opinion in this day and age make more sense than a national event.

Times change, people change, look for other ideas on how to promote get togethers in more regional or local areas. That's what is going to keep this association going and growing. Not arguing amongst ourselves whether someone is doing their job in a paricular position.

We as the entire membership can do way more to promote racing and this association than one or two officers. IF we work together instead of against each other.

Shnool has done more to promote racing than anyone else. His obvious excitement in restoring an old boat and racing it make me get the itch to at least think about racing again. I look forward to his weekly stories and pictures. It makes me yearn again for the sights, sounds, and excitement of race days!

Then I read this BS and it makes me remember why I quit racing!

<s>This is the last I'm going to say about this subject</s>. Bash me if you want. I DON'T CARE ANYMORE!

Edited by - GaryB on 09/25/2013 18:39:07

Sloop Smitten
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Response Posted - 09/25/2013 : 11:09:52

<center>Memorable Quotes</center>

Peregrine, April 1st, 2009
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana

Steve Milby, April 2nd, 2009
We have a rule on this forum that prohibits a member from launching personal attacks on another member. The penalty for violation is expulsion from the forum. John G has already been expelled for making repeated personal attacks, but, in a breathtaking lapse of good judgment, somebody decided to let him return. The officer(s) who made that decision apparently don't even have the moral courage to step forward and admit their lapse in judgment. Since his return, John G's practice of personally attacking others has resumed. It was glaringly evident in the recently locked and deleted thread, in which he launched a gratuitous attack on me, completely unrelated to the subject being discussed, and he turned a very positive thread into one so ugly that the officers decided to delete it for the good of the Association.

This is an ugly, unpleasant occurrence, but it isn't going to go away by ignoring it. Although it might result in more unpleasantness in the short term, somebody is going to have to take the situation in hand and resolve it. This is your forum and your Association. If you are willing to allow one person to blatantly disregard your rule against personal attacks, then there will most assuredly be more personal attacks, and the air of comraderie that has long characterized this forum will disappear, to be replaced by the kind of sniping that exists on other forums.

We are past the point of giving John G a "stern warning" and "one last chance." He had that chance when he was reinstated after having been expelled previously. If he didn't get the messasge that was sent when he was expelled for his personal attacks, he'll never get it.

There are bound to be a handful of members who support John for reasons satisfactory to themselves, and some who just want the ugliness to go away, and some who don't know John's history or who don't trust the accounting of it, but I believe the majority of members can see what John is doing to the Forum, and there are enough who remember John's history, and who care enough to want to protect the forum and the Association from his unacceptable behavior.

If you care about this Association and this forum, you'll realize that John G is taking it down a dark corridor to a place where none of us want to go, and you'll insist that your rule against personal attacks be enforced by his expulsion. This is not a time for indecision or doubt. It isn't likely to happen unless you insist on it. If you want this behavior to stop, please make your wishes known to your officers by private email, as I expect they will be discussing it soon.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 09/26/2013 : 07:27:29

Thank you Joe.

There is a history here that many of the more recent members don't know about, but some of us do. The reason why I care, and the reason why it is important that he not be permitted to rise to the office of Commodore is because, as Vice Commodore, he has Commodore Russ to oversee him, and to keep him under control. If he is elected Commodore, nobody will be in that position.

This is not personal with me. He might have many fine qualities, but he should not be Commodore of this association.

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shnool
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Response Posted - 10/02/2013 : 17:17:46

Well Wayzata announced it... so maybe we can finally put this to bed (for a year anyway)...
"Hi Capri sailors,

The Catalina-25/250 & Capri-25 International Association has officially sanctioned us, WYC Capri-25 Fleet, to run the 2014 National Championship Regatta.

Several people have already volunteered to start organizing things. I will send out more details when we have talked directly to the Commodore."

Edited by - Treasurer on 10/02/2013 18:24:15

Peregrine
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Response Posted - 10/02/2013 : 19:47:24

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by shnool
 Well Wayzata announced it... so maybe we can finally put this to bed (for a year anyway)....
"Hi Capri sailors,

The Catalina-25/250 & Capri-25 International Association has officially sanctioned us, WYC Capri-25 Fleet, to run the 2014 National Championship Regatta.

Several people have already volunteered to start organizing things. I will send out more details when we have talked directly to the Commodore."

It is good news but...
A few details to work out until a "Notice of Race" can be posted.
Lets don't get ahead of ourselves. 
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Edited by - Peregrine on 11/02/2013 18:09:27

Peregrine
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Response Posted - 10/02/2013 : 20:33:41

[url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.com/bylaws.asp"]Catalina-25/250/Capri-25 International Association Bylaws and Constitution[/url]

Underlined words are HOT links.

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shnool
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Response Posted - 10/03/2013 : 03:52:16

I'm just relaying what they posted on a public list serve. I think it's pretty obvious that the details are yet to be worked out... Just wanted to settle some tensions that boiled over a bit in this thread, by announcing ONLY that which was already readily available elsewhere... NOT trying to overstep my bounds here.

NOW... I'll see if I can drum up interest in crew, AND/OR catalina 25 owners who might be interested in our local club to make a field trip...

I look forward to hear when this will be. Nice work folks.

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Peregrine
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Response Posted - 11/03/2013 : 15:25:19

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 Thank you Joe.

There is a history here that many of the more recent members don't know about, but some of us do. The reason why I care, and the reason why it is important that he not be permitted to rise to the office of Commodore is because, as Vice Commodore, he has Commodore Russ to oversee him, and to keep him under control. If he is elected Commodore, nobody will be in that position.

This is not personal with me. He might have many fine qualities, but he should not be Commodore of this association.
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I hadn't thought of being Commodore until Milby mentioned it.
Maybe I should reconsider.

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