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Bruce Baker
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Initially Posted - 01/23/2003 : 07:48:08

I'm looking to replace my main, and Catalina Direct has some new sails with loose foots. Lowell and I were wondering if these sails are legal under C-25 class rules. Not that it matters all that much to me. My "fleet" is a rag-tag group of O'Days, Cals, and a few Catalinas of various lengths.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 01/23/2003 : 08:35:11

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I'm looking to replace my main, and Catalina Direct has some new sails with loose foots. Lowell and I were wondering if these sails are legal under C-25 class rules. Not that it matters all that much to me. My "fleet" is a rag-tag group of O'Days, Cals, and a few Catalinas of various lengths.

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Yes, they are legal...

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 01/23/2003 : 12:13:27

Bruce - if you are racing PHRF you can do virtually what you want (as long as you have the required safety equipment on board). For instance you can strip all the cushions out of the boat, take out the stove...Now, if you're in a one-design C25 fleet - then our class rules apply. <img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>
Derek

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 01/23/2003 : 13:43:30

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Bruce - if you are racing PHRF you can do virtually what you want (as long as you have the required safety equipment on board). For instance you can strip all the cushions out of the boat, take out the stove...Now, if you're in a one-design C25 fleet - then our class rules apply. <img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>
Derek
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Derek...you might want to check your local phrf rules and regs....I am fairly certain those don't change from area to area...but they might. Here on Lake Erie, you can't pull everything out of the boat. rule 9.2 <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>9.2 Boats shall be raced in at least "boat show" trim. Accommodation parts such as bunks, drawers, doors, etc. may not be removed. Except that forward berth cushions and main cabin dining tables may be removed. Appropriate heavy weather management equipment will be on board. There shall be adequate provisions for events out of sight of land. The minimum safety equipment aboard shall be that required by the US Coast Guard. The host club for an event may invoke an ORC Special Regulations Category designation by including this requirement in the notice of race.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>....

http://www.phrf-le.org/classrules.doc

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 01/23/2003 : 18:18:55

That's interesting Duane - I think I'll bring it up to our PHRF Committee - lots of folks not in One-Design on our lake have their boats "stripped" and long ago were told it was legit. ("This Side Up" has everything on her - she's my weekend home!) The folks who started PHRF (So. Calif.) specify that "All factory installed items shall remain in place as designed.This includes, but is not limited to, galley sink, stove, icebox, head sink & head, water tanks, fuel tanks or holding tanks, cushions, doors, hatches, partitions, floorboards, etc". Which is even tighter than Lake Erie, Duane!
Bruce -you'd better check your local rules & regulations!(sorry <img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>)
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 01/24/2003 : 13:34:42

With the C-25 Nationals coming up, this is an important question. When Catalina 25s are racing in their National Regatta, are they bound only by the Catalina 25 Class Rules, or, are they bound by the PHRF rules?

Rule F(1) of the Catalina 25 Design Class Rules provides:

“F. RATINGS 1. All boats shall be rated according
to the current area PHRF rating of the host
fleet as available to them.”

By this provision, the Catalina 25 National Association has incorporated the PHRF rules by reference. Therefore, when C-25s race in their national regatta, the PHRF ratings of the C-25 host fleet will be used to determine the winner. When PHRF calculates the rating for any given class of boat, the calculation is based on the assumption that the boat conforms to the PHRF and all applicable class rules. If a C-25 doesn’t conform to all the provisions of the PHRF and class rules, then the PHRF rating might not accurately reflect the performance of that boat, and that boat isn’t entitled to use the PHRF rating. I think the intent of all this is that C-25s have to conform to the PHRF rules. If the C-25 Class rules contain a provision that expressly conflicts with the PHRF rules, then the C-25 Class Rules govern. If PHRF has a rule, and the C-25 Class rules are silent on the same subject, then the PHRF rules govern.

All that having been said, when a person brings his C-25 to the National Regatta, every effort should be made to allow the boat to race, notwithstanding a variance from the rules. If a sail measures oversize by an inch or two, let it pass, unless it is apparent that the owner is intentionally trying to stretch or circumvent the rules. If somebody didn’t bring all his cushions, require him to carry a little extra weight to compensate for it. So far, I have never seen a boat prevented from racing in the C-25 National Regatta because of a failure to conform to those technical requirements, and would hate to see it happen.

Steve Milby "Captiva Wind" C-25 T/FK #2554

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 01/24/2003 : 17:07:08

I agree--allow that extra inch or so on the sails UNLESS HE WINS! <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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