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redviking
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Response Posted - 01/24/2013 : 13:07:06

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Davy J
 Unfortunately this thread has gone off topic, but, yeah, the ICW down here is both great and down right scary.

I watched a complete moron in a 48' Sea Ray approach a bridge that had 4 or 5 sailboats waiting for it to open. The moron continued in that "put the biggest wake up" speed until he got right up to the bridge. I watched as a 35' Island Packet almost had its spreaders in the water as the idiot went by.

I am usually against government involvement, but I agree with Sten, we need to license the operation of boats and jet skis with aptitude testing to pass. And oh yeah, I got the CWP too....

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Hey, it's my thread, I don't care where it goes.

Yeah, the jerks on the Icw will change your mind quickly. But then again, I have been buzzed 40-50 miles offshore too. Fawknuts!

So were you the millionth Floridian CWP holder? This place is almost as scary as Texas, everyone is packing heat.

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Response Posted - 01/24/2013 : 13:15:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 ...but any damn fool can buy a powerboat...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...or a sailboat.<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I know of one owner who actually had a car like foot throttle installed.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Rememeber the powerboater who joined us a while back after buying a C-25, and just before he painted it bright yellow and mounted a pb steering wheel on the cabin bulkhead to turn the outboard? The name was kinda cool, tho...

Shortly thereafter, he sold it and went back to power.

BTW, what does it take to qualify as a "hyjack" in a thread on MacGregor boats?

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Response Posted - 01/24/2013 : 13:46:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">So were you the millionth Floridian CWP holder? This place is almost as scary as Texas, everyone is packing heat.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Nah, had it for years. Now if you want to talk scary......

....Chicago, NY, DC, LA.......Oh yeah, no CWP there....

.......Now those are very scary....

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Response Posted - 01/24/2013 : 14:02:35

The [url="http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0308.pdf"]murder rates[/url] in FL and TX are a lot higher than in NY.

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Response Posted - 01/24/2013 : 14:21:26

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The murder rates in FL and TX are a lot higher than in NY.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Yeah, But you still couldn't get me to visit NYC without two armed guards and a Pope-mobile......

BTW, homicide, NYC 2011...500

Tampa 2011...30

Just for fun.....[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popemobile"]Popemobile[/url]

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Response Posted - 01/24/2013 : 14:30:05

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Davy J
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The murder rates in FL and TX are a lot higher than in NY.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

BTW, homicide, NYC 2011...500

Tampa 2011...30
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Think what you want, but your odds are based on the crime rate, not the raw number of crimes. In that regard, [url="http://www.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=New+york&s1=NY&c2=Tampa&s2=FL"]NYC is actually safer than Tampa[/url].

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Response Posted - 01/24/2013 : 14:48:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Think what you want, but your odds are based on the crime rate, not the raw number of crimes. In that regard, NYC is actually safer than Tampa.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I would rather have any crime committed against me in Tampa......
I have a much better chance of walking away

Plus, I think our 30 homicides also include "justifiable homicides" where CWP holders defended themselves

Back to the ICW......

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Response Posted - 01/24/2013 : 14:57:46

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Davy J
 Yeah, But you still couldn't get me to visit NYC without two armed guards and a Pope-mobile......

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...because you apparently know nothing about NYC. I know Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, and the Bronx pretty well--been on just about every subway line in the city (there are a lot). I've worked in Miami, Houston, Dallas, WDC, Philadelphia, Boston, Memphis, Detroit, LA, Chicago, St. Louis, Phoenix, San Francisco, Atlanta,...........

NYC is the most diverse and safest big city in America. Until you understand its scale and what all is going on there, you might not be able to imagine that. But you really don't need a Popemobile in NYC--maybe in a few of the others.

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Response Posted - 01/24/2013 : 15:25:06

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">But you really don't need a Popemobile in NYC--maybe in a few of the others.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
This guy thinks he needs one.....

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Response Posted - 01/24/2013 : 16:20:32

This posting thread has certainly gone places !

So...what if you have a MacGreggor and you work in NYC, so what are your chances for survival then ? LOL

I never had a Mac sailboat but I was born in the Bronx. After 10, I lived on Long Island. I worked in NYC for 12 years at 1 Penn Plaza right across from Madison Sq Garden. I took an express train from Huntington, Long island to Penn Station and back. It made only 3 stops and then I walked in the underground thru Penn Station and then up the escalators right into my office building without walking outside on the city streets. But always went out for lunch and we had some great places to eat at. Never had a problem in NYC except would not want to drive in there. The few times I did, it was usually on the weekends. My only regret while working in NYC is that I never arrived at work early enough to watch them walk the elephants into Madison Sq Garden when Ringling Bros Circus came to town. But I was there early enough to watch them do the elephant, etc cleanups on the street....but i doubt that is of any interest to anyone compared to the lively banter in the postings above.

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Response Posted - 01/24/2013 : 17:46:04

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 One story says Roger is keeping his brand for big boats, and his kids will make some new 22' and 26' boats in Florida, under another name.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">This fits right in with a previous discussion we had here about marinas putting in docks for larger boats . . . 50'+ boats. I was talking with the manager of our local WM last Saturday. He explained that boats in the 30-40' range are a dying breed . . . the market is shifting to two classes - smaller boats (like ours) and 50 footers, with fewer in between.

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Response Posted - 01/24/2013 : 17:50:04

I had a high school teacher that owned a Venture 21. He loved that boat. Took it many places in the NE - he had a blast. I didn't know until many, many years later just how lightweight a boat it was. He didn't seem to care though . . . he was having so much darn fun.

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Response Posted - 01/24/2013 : 17:55:34

What a thread. :-)

Look at the # of MacGreggors out there. They are doing something right. No??

A lot of people that are getting started and are unsure whether sailing or power is for them, lean towards MacGreggor. They sure got lots of people on the water. Then they move on or upgrade. Keeps the boating market going.

But anyways. Maybe I'm not the best to comment. I've never sailed one before. But with so much info on web now days people are makin conscious decisions.

I'm actually looking forward to see what they will come back with.

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Response Posted - 01/24/2013 : 18:43:31

I may not have sailed a MacGregor before but I stayed at Holiday Inn last night!

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Response Posted - 01/24/2013 : 19:05:42

And where are the pics?

Paul

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Response Posted - 01/24/2013 : 19:17:31

Here in the NE there is a home builder called Ryan Homes. Mr. Ryan got his start building housing for the military - cheap and fast. Then he starting building housing plan - cheap and fast. A lot of people afford a first home because of him . . . similar to how Venture and MacGregor allowed people to afford their first boat.

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Response Posted - 01/24/2013 : 20:12:04

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by britinusa
 And where are the pics?

Paul
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What goes on at Holiday Inn stays at Holiday Inn!

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redviking
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Response Posted - 01/24/2013 : 21:50:58

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Davy J
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Think what you want, but your odds are based on the crime rate, not the raw number of crimes. In that regard, NYC is actually safer than Tampa.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I would rather have any crime committed against me in Tampa......
I have a much better chance of walking away

Plus, I think our 30 homicides also include "justifiable homicides" where CWP holders defended themselves

Back to the ICW......

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Maybe you heard about the 70 year old CWP holder that got 8 years for shooting an 8 year olds father in front of her after a confrontation over skateboarding. Yep, right here in Tampa bay... Or the three St. Petersburg cops who were killed in the line of duty in the last two years. Or the two cops killed in Tampa. The entire country of England had 30 shootings/murders last year. 86 guns per 100 people in this country is ridiculous. But if only outlaws had guns, only outlaws would get shot by their kids, or only outlaws kids could do a school shooting, or, or....

The second amendment was.written when there were muskets. Hard to do a school shooting with a musket as.they take a long time to reload. Want to bear arms? Muskets for everyone!

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Response Posted - 01/24/2013 : 21:56:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by szymek
 What a thread. :-)

Look at the # of MacGreggors out there. They are doing something right. No??

A lot of people that are getting started and are unsure whether sailing or power is for them, lean towards MacGreggor. They sure got lots of people on the water. Then they move on or upgrade. Keeps the boating market going.

But anyways. Maybe I'm not the best to comment. I've never sailed one before. But with so much info on web now days people are makin conscious decisions.

I'm actually looking forward to see what they will come back with.
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My thought is that a multi purpose boat is sorta like a bisexual person. It does neither side justice...

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Response Posted - 01/25/2013 : 05:02:44

I have no problem with the toys-for-us boat design. It's a free world, but that would not be my choice.

The floating party that it often becomes is about as annoying as a skidoo. A co-worker of mine usta brag that it would hold 6 people or 12 drunks. He would fire up the engine and plane out. High seas arn't too bad but seeing that thing go by makes me a little sick at the stomach. Kinda like seeing the Ladies pole dance with a bass boat pedestal seat at Lanier's Cocktail Cove. Sooooo Wrong...

Not that I didn't sail a very cheep boat for years, but I stayed outta most folks way. The sheriff only had to keep an eye on me a few times. ( and I did fine by the way )

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Response Posted - 01/25/2013 : 08:10:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redeye
 ...A co-worker of mine usta brag that it would hold 6 people or 12 drunks.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I think it was 12-14 drunks that rolled and sank a C-25 on at night on Lake Dillon in Colorado some years back. I can't remember whether anyone died...

Edit: It was 15 people, in 2007. The C-25 sank in 40-70' water in about 2 minutes. None wore PFDs, but all were saved. (Wanna bet there were 15 PFDs aboard?)

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Response Posted - 01/25/2013 : 14:40:38

Not sure why there's all the Mac hate here. To me, a sailboat is a sailboat. I have a good friend who owns WINGS, a MacGregor 26D that is so fast she beats "A" fleet boats scratch on a weekly basis. To be honest we've only beaten her in one race out of dozens on the C-27. It's kind of frustrating racing against her because we have to give her time. I would bet that she'd smoke pretty much any C-25 on this forum. She is hull #1 from what I understand.

That being said, M 26's are just different, there is barely sitting room and they are lighter. A plus is that they can be trailered easily. It's a decent lake boat and there are lots of them on our lake. Not my favorite boat but I know a couple guys that do very well racing them.

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Response Posted - 01/26/2013 : 05:48:34

Yes, they are a hotly contested racer. Even on SA there are fans for their racing abilities. Amongst the list of contested issues is the water ballast system which apparently can be rigged such that a M26 can empty the ballast system on the downwind leg which make them smoking fast. Also, many have modified the sails et al. The stock M26 really only has hankies for sails, put the headsail all the way to the top of the mast and enlarge it's area and it's gonna win everything. Especially if the mods aren't noticed or reported, thereby not affecting its rating.

Sten

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Response Posted - 01/26/2013 : 10:50:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 Yes, they are a hotly contested racer. Even on SA there are fans for their racing abilities. Amongst the list of contested issues is the water ballast system which apparently can be rigged such that a M26 can empty the ballast system on the downwind leg which make them smoking fast. Also, many have modified the sails et al. The stock M26 really only has hankies for sails, put the headsail all the way to the top of the mast and enlarge it's area and it's gonna win everything. Especially if the mods aren't noticed or reported, thereby not affecting its rating.

Sten
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This guy has clearly modified sails, his head sail is fractional but he does have a modified aft stay and large roach. Since he actually works on boats for a living, he's probably made it as fast as he can. So yeah, we've grumbled about it especially since until he showed up we were dominating "B" fleet. At the end of the day though, he is a really nice guy and an awesome sailor and the racing is pretty casual so we don't want to bitch about it. So when we come in second after him we think about it like we placed first.

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Response Posted - 01/28/2013 : 19:33:14

Be careful what you say . . . .

As a kid, Robin Lee Graham was my sailing hero and the MacGregor/Venture line of sailboats appeared to be the only affordable (cheap) way to get on the water with a new hull to sail and cruise. Were they great boats? Probably not. Did they make the dream a reality for many? Absolutely. The 26 was just a reality check that said fiberglass boats would last a long time so you have to reinvent yourself to remain relevant. My guess is that many powerboat people bought them to try sailing and it served it's purpose of moving them to "real" sail boats or confirm that power was for them. Whenever one of the relatively few boat manufacturers founders it hurts us all -- even worse when the company was an industry pioneer. It also makes one think long and hard about what will happen to Catalina when Frank Butler is no longer involved. Much of the newer designs appear to be less than the classic fleet that the company was built on. Read the various forums and you will find that more people want to upgrade to an older Catalina design than the newer ones. Ditto in the MacGregor family many love sailing the original 17/19/21/24 ft true classic "trailer sailors"

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