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Bill Sloane
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Initially Posted - 01/23/2003 : 11:52:56

I've read a lot of strong opinions about the original alcohol fuel stoves safety or lack thereof, plus threads on how to convert from alcohol to propane. Let's say that I am not that handy with tools and would really like to just buy an already manufactured propane stove that will fit in the spot. The space is 22" wide. A Coleman stove does not fit because it is 24" wide. What other propane stoves are out there that fit in 22" wide space? I have not seen one yet.

Bill

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/23/2003 : 12:35:58

Most marine stoves are less than 22" wide so you shouldn't have much trouble finding one to fit. Seaward and Origo are the major players in this area. The picture below is from Seaward and it looks like the C25's original alcohol burner.

Princess Model 2423
Two Burner Slide-in Gimbaled Gas Stove
<img src="http://www.seawardproducts.com/_borders/2423.jpg" border=0>

Here's the link.
http://www.seawardproducts.com/

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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Cradled on the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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Bill Sloane
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Response Posted - 01/23/2003 : 16:56:42

Ouch, that Seaward Princess Model 2423 costs $594.00. Maybe I better learn how to convert alcohol to propane.

Bill. ; - (

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 01/23/2003 : 18:52:04

Hi Bill,

When I bought my boat, the stove had been removed and there was just a big open space where it used to be. I decided to buy a microwave oven to fill the hole, and it works great when I'm connected to shore power. (As a side note, I bought a low watt microwave so that I'll be able to power it with one of those small, portable gasoline electric generators one of these days.)

I bought a single-burner butane stove on eBay for about $25 (for use in the cabin), and I've also got a Magma party grill that can be used for grilling, baking, or cooking with pots & pans ... the two of them together are a good replacement for the old alcohol stove.

If you already have a rail-mounted grill, or if you plan to get one, the only drawbacks I can think of are the occasional flameout due to wind, and occasional rainy weather. Other than that, you might never miss the alcohol stove ... an expensive replacement isn't really necessary.

'Just a thought ...

Buzz Maring, C-25 SK/SR #68, "Freya"
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/23/2003 : 18:54:25

Bill,

The timing of this stove topic is kind of interesting, because the other day I was thinking of removing my stove and just use the microwave for cooking/heating. The reason is that last winter I dismantled my stove, cleaned it up nicely and got it working like new, only to have it sit on my boat all season without being fired up once!

Firstly, I'm primarily a daysailer/weekender so I don't have a big need for cooking food on the boat. When I'm on the water, I've got the rail in the water and no time to cook. Last summer, my wife agreed to a weeklong sailing vacation, but only on the condition that she was on vacation too and she was not going to be the galley slave and if she sailed all day to get to a destination, she wanted to get off the boat and eat at a sit down restaurant. Since I wanted to do this vacation, I agreed without hesitation. Anyway, that whole week we never used the stove. While in port every night we had 110V electricity(another requirement from the Admiral) so we were able to use the microwave for popcorn, warming sandwhiches, quick snacks,...etc. Coffee was made in an electric drip coffee maker, but I could have just used the microwave to heat the water then used a coffee press to make the coffee.

Currently my microwave is mounted on the cutting board on the stove, but I think when I awaken North Star from her winter hibernation, I will remove the stove altogether to save on room and weight.

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 01/23/2003 : 19:56:21

For the occasional pot of coffee or one-pot cooking, check out one of the Glowmaster butane cartridge stoves. A buddy has one in his Macgregor 26.. it's handier than sliced bread.

'Marinizing' accessories are available.. potholders, stove hold-downs etc. I think I've seen these in stainless too. They start around $50

Here's a link to a rather crude page with some info.

http://www.seamar.com/gohtml/seamar_accessories/accessories_35.html

These (or similar stoves) seem to be marketed under various names.. there is also a little cartridge-fueled propane heater available.

- CB

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 01/23/2003 : 20:48:08

Buzz and Don,

What kind of microwave are your using? I have been looking for one that is small with no digital clock, just a dial to set the cooking time.

The smallest one I find at the regular stores is too big and heavy, and all of them seem to have digital clocks.

Also would it be possible to send me instructions on how to post pictures on the forum?

Thanks

Bryan Beamer
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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 01/23/2003 : 21:30:08

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Buzz and Don,

What kind of microwave are your using? I have been looking for one that is small with no digital clock, just a dial to set the cooking time. ... Also would it be possible to send me instructions on how to post pictures on the forum?

Thanks
Bryan Beamer
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Hi Bryan,

I bought a General Electric microwave at WalMart. I think it is normally around $50, but I got it on sale for $45 ... I think it is a 700 watt model, and it has a built-in turning table. It does have a digital clock though ... why don't you want a digital clock?

I'll email you the instructions for posting photos ... it's easy once you get the hang of it.

Buzz Maring, C-25 SK/SR #68, "Freya"
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/23/2003 : 21:31:57

"What kind of microwave are your using? I have been looking for one that is small with no digital clock, just a dial to set the cooking time." - Bryan

That is exactly what I bought, a small white microwave with just a dial. I bought it for about $35.00 or $40.00 from local appliance store, but you can get them at Walmart, KMart,...etc. I'm not sure which brand(GE?), but GE does make a subcompact with the following dimensions; 9 19/32" H x 12 11/16" D x 18 5/32" W

<img src="http://www.abcwarehouse.com/product_images/17268_detail.jpg" border=0>

My microwave sits atop the cutting board and it's footprint is smaller than cutting board(1" in from both ends and 1/2" in front-to-back). It sits atop the cutting board with a piece of that non skid rubber mat stuff in between to prevent slipping, and is secured by 2 nylon straps going across the top of the microwave and under the cutting board.

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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Douglas
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Response Posted - 01/23/2003 : 21:40:35

Bill Im in Puyallup. I converted my stove to run off of propane. I used a long gas line so the cylinder sat outside in the cockpit. I think the rework cost me about $60. If you pay for all the parts and you still have the old original stove I would be glad to give you a hand.

Doug&Ruth
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Tacoma Wa.

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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 01/23/2003 : 21:54:36

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>why don't you want a digital clock? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

It is just a personal thing I have to deal with. I'm one of those guys that must set a clock if it is not showing the correct time and with the plugging & unplugging from shore power I will be setting the clock all the time. I don't have many pet peeves, but that clock thing is a big one.

Thanks guys

Buzz, Got your e-mail I will start working with it. Thanks.

Bryan Beamer
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Doug
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Response Posted - 01/23/2003 : 22:10:40

The one burner Burton or glowmaster works great. It's small enough to put in the space with room room left over. Or you could always do this: Sure, I posted this before, but I think it's so cool!
<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b2df04b3127cce9c2399d2a6650000005410" border=0>
<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b2df04b3127cce9c2399d4a6630000004410" border=0>

Doug - #1913 Noeta

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/23/2003 : 22:32:24

"...I'm one of those guys that must set a clock if it is not showing the correct time and with the plugging & unplugging from shore power I will be setting the clock all the time. I don't have many pet peeves, but that clock thing is a big one." - Bryan

Bryan,

You gotta get one of these battery powered atomic clocks.

<img src="http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/images/radioclocks.jpg" border=0>

My wife got me one for the boat and it's cool. It constantly receives radio signals from the Atomic Clock in Boulder, Colorado to keep it accurate to 1/1,000,000,000,000 of a second. When I first got it, I would purposely mess up the time/date/year and within minutes it would automatically correct itself. I'm telling you, it's cool <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>! My clock has huge numbers, and displays time, date, moon phase, and ambient temperature and compensates for timezones and daylight savings time..

The best part was the price. My wife got it on sale before Christmas for $9.99!

Checkout this link to National Institute of Standards and Technology
http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/stations/radioclocks.htm

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
C25 SR/FK
Cradled on the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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KTwomey
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Response Posted - 01/23/2003 : 22:59:13

Hello all.(Y-All?)

I’ve had my C25 for a year and have decided to join your group in the Forum. I have done a considerable amount of additions and modifications to AKUNA MATADA and hopefully I can add something of worth once in a while. I am already quite aware of the secret handshake at West Marine and have received many $10 coupons that they "give” to you for spending $250.

I’d like to add my thoughts on the propane stove questions. I dislike the alcohol “curtain burner” stoves and couldn’t wait to rip it out of the boat. (It’s for sale if someone wants it). I pulled the whole thing out and built a shelf that would support the “Century” 2-burner propane stove that I found at Big-5 sporting goods store. It was just a bit smaller than the Coleman and fit in just right. The cutting board top was replaced with a piece of formica. Then I ran the hose down through the shelf and made a holder for the propane canister underneath. I am going to add a propane gas detector to the cabin before this summer just to be on the safe side.

I am going to try to include a picture of the installation if I can figure out how to do it.

Ken Twomey
AKUNA MATADA
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Folsom, CA

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/23/2003 : 23:24:13

Welcome aboard, Ken!

Decided to jump into the foray and join the forum, eh? Well, it's about time. The more the merrier I always say. Glad to have you aboard. I, too, have had my C25 for just over a year and I'm having lot's of fun with both it and this site and if you've been lurking around the forum, you probably already know that.

There appears to be a problems with your pictures. Do they reside on your computer or have you already uploaded or copied them to a host server on the internet, such as Shutterfly.com?

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
C25 SR/FK
Cradled on the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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KTwomey
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Response Posted - 01/24/2003 : 00:51:02

Don,

They are in my computer. Guess that didn't work.

Here's the second try, I hope it works this time.

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3df02b3127cce93a8a68c221c0000001410" border=0>

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3df02b3127cce93a8a63c22ac0000001410" border=0>

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/24/2003 : 02:08:58

How did you get it to work?

Did you put those drawer faces in under the stove or did your boat come that way?

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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Cradled on the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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Ben
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Response Posted - 01/24/2003 : 07:46:27

That looks great Ken. I just bought my boat a couple months ago and it didn't come with a stove, so I've been wondering how I was going to put one in. I'm looking forward to anchoring out at night and waking up to coffee and eggs. I think I'm going to try to do what you did.

Thanks for posting those pictures.

Ben
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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 01/24/2003 : 08:45:47

I'm alittle nervous about the propane cylinder in the cabin and down so low.

PW
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Response Posted - 01/24/2003 : 09:34:13

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Bryan,

You gotta get one of these battery powered atomic clocks.

<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Now if I could only find a small microwave with an atomic clock I wouldn't mind a digital display.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Bryan Beamer
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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 01/24/2003 : 09:34:40

Hi Bill,

Here is one of those single-burner butane stoves listed on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& item=2401162822& category=26448

It costs less than I remembered, and here is what one looks like:

<img src="http://whatsforless.com/ebay/stove/04090001.JPG" border=0>

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I'm a little nervous about the propane cylinder in the cabin and down so low. PW
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Paul,

I know what you mean about propane cylinders and the chance that they might leak into the bilge. A few months ago someone suggested storing the small canisters in the "tool locker" that is located at the aft end of the starboard settee of the cockpit. I think that's a great idea ... the locker is isolated from the rest of the boat, and any leaks would be confined by it.

BTW Paul, I thought that stink-potters constituted "The Dark Side" ... don't you want to return to "The Bright Side?" (pun intended!) <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Buzz Maring, C-25 SK/SR #68, "Freya"
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Response Posted - 01/24/2003 : 09:46:08

Propane inside? I'd be sure to have a good quality connector valve, inspect it regularly, and keep it shut off when the stove is not in use. (common sense I guess)

My lazerette (sp?) is isolated from the bilge and is vented to the outside. Likely that's where I'd put a propane cylinder. Run the hose through the bulkhead and keep it well sealed.

I really like those pull-out slides with the Glowmaster stove and the utensil drawer.

A wide variety of permanent-mount propane stoves are available.. some very nice in stainless steel... for $50 to $100 or so. Can't quite figure how somebody can charge $500 for.. a small sheet metal box, two burners and two valves.

-- CB

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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Response Posted - 01/24/2003 : 11:21:47

Don,

I ended up registering with Shutterfly.com and downloading my pictures on their site. Then was able to add them to this site by the web address of the pictures. Buzz helped me with that part.

The drawer fronts were on the boat when I got it. The top one is a drawer. The bottom one, as you can see, opens downward on hinges.

Ken Twomey
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C25 SK/SR
Folsom, CA

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Response Posted - 01/24/2003 : 11:43:59

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Bill Im in Puyallup. I converted my stove to run off of propane. I used a long gas line so the cylinder sat outside in the cockpit. I think the rework cost me about $60. If you pay for all the parts and you still have the old original stove I would be glad to give you a hand.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
Douglas, I will take you up on your offer. I live in Shelton and work in downtown Olympia. If you e-mail me your address and phone number, we can arrange a time to get together. I have an old thread that lists the parts I need to get. I found a used Coleman propane stove at City Pawn for $25. Are those burners good for the conversion? My e-mail address is: bills@msgsarch.com.

and Thanks,

Bill.

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Response Posted - 01/24/2003 : 13:10:27

"I ended up registering with Shutterfly.com and downloading my pictures on their site. Then was able to add them to this site by the web address of the pictures. Buzz helped me with that part." Ken

Good job, Ken!

Last night when you originally had problems posting your pictures, I was writing a "Forum Picture How To" for you, but before I could finish it, you solved your problem.

Anyway, for those who want to find out the magic behind posting forum photos, I've posted this "How To" at the testing forum. Here's the link.
http://www.catalina25-250.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2623

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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Response Posted - 01/24/2003 : 13:48:16

Bill my computer system for some reason wont let me use your E mail. If you click on my name over on the L/H side of this post you will see my E mail addy. Just dont use the *no spam* part it stops me getting junk mail when someone steals the forums mail list. Also at the bottom of the R/H side is my phone number. Call in the mournings after 9am and before 1pm. The coleman parts wont work. Dont purchase any fittings you wont need all the ones in the original (Other design) I use a very simple set up. It works and its safe. You can use the bottle in the cabin or you can set it outside and use it. <img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b2db38b3127cce9d89fb9078ae0000003410" border=0><img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b2db38b3127cce9d89f9fcf9f30000003410" border=0>

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