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KTwomey
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Initially Posted - 01/26/2003 : 14:08:07

I want to add another bilge pump in my 1985 c25 swing keel.

Problem is the bilge is divided into sections and doesn’t have a central point where all water will gather.

Has anyone overcome this issue, or have any suggestions??

Ken Twomey
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C25 SK/SR
Folsom, CA

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 01/27/2003 : 15:14:39

How far apart are the two bilges ? Close enough to drill a limber hole ? What part fils with water first ?

Doug&Ruth
Triska (Alberg 29)
Tacoma Wa.

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KTwomey
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Response Posted - 01/27/2003 : 17:50:23

Doug,

Here's a couple of pictures.
This one is at the "door" of the head, starboard side.

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3df06b3127cce9446a87470620000001410" border=0>

This one is in the middle of the cabin.
<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3df06b3127cce9446a8ae70b80000001410" border=0>

Also port and starboard is divided by the keel trunk as you can see in this bottom picture.

I haven't had any water come in yet, knock knock knock, just preparing.

Ken Twomey
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C25 SK/SR
Folsom, CA

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 01/27/2003 : 19:56:34

Well from what I see in the pictures there are two opptions. You could drill limber holes and insert drain tubes sealing bot ends so as to not allow any water into the stiffeners. This would alow water to drain to the lowest points. Then you could put in a bilge pump port and stbd. (((OR))) you could just leave the boat the way it is. If your not doing to much rough water or bad weather sailing you should not get much water below anyway. I had Wind Lass for several years and never put in an electric bildge pump. I did have the manual pump that came with the boat and one small manual sucktion device for small amounts of water. I realy never saw more than what I could handle with a sponge. Drilling limber holes is a big project due to trying to get them next to the low points. In my honest opinion not worth going this route.

Doug&Ruth
Triska (Alberg 29)
Tacoma Wa.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/27/2003 : 20:13:13

<b>"I want to add another bilge pump in my 1985 c25 swing keel..."</b>

Is the current pump manual or electric?

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
C25 SR/FK
Cradled on the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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KTwomey
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Response Posted - 01/27/2003 : 20:59:16

There is a manual Guzzler that is mounted on the port side wall of the cockpit, the intake is just visible in my last picture. I also have one of those bicycle pump looking portable suction pumps.

I purchased a Rule 1100 gph pump and then couldn't decide where to install it. I'm not too crazy about drilling holes through what looks like hull/structure supports in the bilge.

Ken Twomey
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C25 SK/SR
Folsom, CA

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 01/27/2003 : 21:13:31

Ken: There's an issue concerning drilling holes for water to pass through. Unless you do something to prevent it, water can enter the laminations through the fiberglass roving that is exposed by the drill. This is especially a problem if your boat is stored in freezing weather so that the moisture in the laminations can freeze, which can cause delamination--maybe not a problem in central CA. You can prevent this by applying expoxy after drilling. But putting limber holes through stringers (which can be hollow, or in some boats, cored) is a little risky.

Are you putting the pump in to remove water that appears after every rain or every sail? If so, you might better spend your energy finding and resolving the source of the leak. Windows, rubrails, gudgeons, genoa tracks, and the cockpit drains (scuppers on older boats) are the usual suspects. Chalk lines drawn across paths to the bilge can help you track down the culprits.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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KTwomey
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Response Posted - 01/27/2003 : 21:33:33

I don't have any leaks in the boat. My thoughts are to have a back up in case something does happen and that I'll have an electric pump going while I try to constrain water flow.

I figure that it might be difficult to work the manual pump while trying to fix something.

Ken Twomey
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C25 SK/SR
Folsom, CA

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/27/2003 : 21:52:42

<b>"My thoughts are to have a back up in case something does happen and that I'll have an electric pump going while I try to constrain water flow. I figure that it might be difficult to work the manual pump while trying to fix something."</b>

Well, if it's only for catastrophic events while you are onboard, then what about not mounting the pump, but instead keeping it mobile. In the event of a catastrophic event you could place it anywhere you need it(amidships, V berth,...etc) and simply throw the discharge hose either overboard or into the cockpit.

Additionally, by not having it permanently mounted, you could use it around the boat for things like freshwater washdowns, hosing out the anchor locker, or for putting out the fire on the powerboat next to you.

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
C25 SR/FK
Cradled on the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 01/27/2003 : 23:59:39

Ken Twomey,

I don't know if you monitor [url="http://trailersailor.com/forums/trailersailor/"]Trailer Sailor BBS[/url], but just in case you don't, here's a [url="http://trailersailor.com/forums/trailersailor/index.cgi?read=230990"]link[/url] to a recent bilge pump discussion there.

In my 1979 swing keel C-25, I have three bilge pumps. A manual diaphram pump operable from the helm, a 500GPH auto.elec. under the cabin sole to stbd of the swing keel trunk just ahead of the stairs, and a 3,700GPH elec. damage control pump under the galley sink just to port of the aft end of the keel trunk.

I have created limber holes connecting all potential puddles to those two bilge areas.

Let me know if you (or anyone else of course) would like more details on either the pump installations, or the limber hole system.

-- Leon Sisson

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Doug
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Response Posted - 01/28/2003 : 00:17:09

Bilge pumps are not all that expensive. if there are two areas where there might be water build up why not two pumps wired on seperate runs? A little redundancy in safety systems is a nice thing.

Doug - #1913 Noeta

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KTwomey
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Response Posted - 01/28/2003 : 02:04:33

Leon,

Thanks, thats a great site.
Get comfortable, you'll be reading for a while!!!

Don,

I like your idea of portablility. From V-berth to Quarter berth, no problem! Just plunk it down where it's needed.

Ken Twomey
AKUNA MATADA
C25 SK/SR
Folsom, CA

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