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fherzon
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Initially Posted - 07/27/2013 :  06:58:08  Show Profile
I have a legally permitted buoy in Puget Sound where and continue to periodically find boaters tied up to my buoy without my permission. Signs all over buoy "private" "Keep off" etc. Boats are frequently larger then buoy designed for. Any advice on preventing these tie ups, getting them off if no one on boat etc. Cant find anything in Washington law that speaks to this. Thanks.
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Response Posted - 07/27/2013 :  07:10:25  Show Profile
Who is the permit from? That agency should be ultimately responsible, and could probably refer you to the proper enforcers (e.g., Harbormaster) for the appropriate action (e.g., towing away at owner's expense). That's where I'd start.
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awetmore
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Response Posted - 07/27/2013 :  09:41:44  Show Profile
We almost tied up to a private mooring buoy yesterday. It looked exactly like a state parks one (which here are a white tire with a triangle shaped pyramid on top with the rules). The only indication that it was private was old paint saying "PVT" on the tire, and once we saw that we moved away.

You might post "private, for <25' boats only" or something to prevent large boats from tying on. I'd make sure that this information is posted above the waterline so that it can't get worn away easily. The buoy that I mentioned above was painted green where the signage should go, so in reduced light (where we wouldn't have seen the worn off paint) it would have been easy to assume it was a state buoy.
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GaryB
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Response Posted - 07/27/2013 :  10:04:30  Show Profile
Oops, not sure how that line came loose!
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 07/27/2013 :  10:30:15  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by GaryB</i>
<br />Oops, not sure how that line came loose!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Chafe.
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delliottg
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Response Posted - 07/27/2013 :  11:32:27  Show Profile  Visit delliottg's Homepage
Fred,
Welcome to the forum, always nice to see another Washingtonian on here. Here's the closest thing to a law that I could find in the WA state RCW:

[url="http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=79.105.430"]RCW 79.105.430 Private recreational docks — Mooring buoys.[/url]

It doesn't talk specifically about your situation, but it does mention that it's illegal to abandon a boat on a mooring, maybe that's a place to start.
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Response Posted - 07/27/2013 :  12:10:50  Show Profile
I presume the permit names <i>you</i> as the person with permission to have the mooring. Your "visitors" do not have that permission, either from you or the permitting agency. Thus, it could be viewed as the same as somebody installing a mooring in that area without permission. In your case, the mooring is permitted--the user of the mooring is not.

In most places I've known with private moorings, a harbormaster enforces their privacy if necessary. I know people who've approached their private-but-occupied moorings and told the occupants they had to leave, but that assumes the boat is occupied. It seems some people are willing to take the risk, realizing they might have to cast off the mooring in darkness and find another place, and assuming there's no penalty other than that.
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jerlim
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Response Posted - 07/27/2013 :  18:55:15  Show Profile
Being from NY, my impulse is to find a way to lock it...
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Voyager
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Response Posted - 07/27/2013 :  20:33:30  Show Profile
You might want to make 5 or 6 dummy moorings that look for all intents and purposes like your mooring, but use a few cement blocks tied to a poly line. Put them all around your mooring randomly. After awhile when the perps' boats wind up on the rocks, no more problems! Kinda like Russian Roulette. That'll learn 'em...
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Response Posted - 07/28/2013 :  11:44:32  Show Profile  Visit britinusa's Homepage
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Voyager</i>
<br />You might want to make 5 or 6 dummy moorings that look for all intents and purposes like your mooring, but use a few cement blocks tied to a poly line. Put them all around your mooring randomly. After awhile when the perps' boats wind up on the rocks, no more problems! Kinda like Russian Roulette. That'll learn 'em...

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Just don't have your boat on your mooring at the time

Paul
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redeye
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Response Posted - 07/29/2013 :  10:03:16  Show Profile
Re-Label the buoy....
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glen
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Response Posted - 07/30/2013 :  10:22:14  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fherzon</i>
<br />I Signs all over buoy "private" "Keep off" etc.

Cant find anything in Washington law that speaks to this. Thanks.
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Hmmmm how about “Salvage Rights” followed by a listing on Ebay
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redviking
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Response Posted - 07/30/2013 :  16:05:00  Show Profile
For rent $95.00 should fix the problem.

Sten
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