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pastmember
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Response Posted - 09/08/2013 : 17:21:30

Today was better...

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Response Posted - 09/08/2013 : 19:12:06

I was glad to see that Oracle won the second race today, especially after giving away the lead in the first race.
Seems to me, however, that the skipper and crew, or at least the skipper, should be from the country being represented.

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Response Posted - 09/09/2013 : 08:41:10

I think that the entire crew should be from the Country represented.
Isn't that how it used to be in the "good old days"?

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Response Posted - 09/09/2013 : 09:54:43

AND .. the team should make the lawyers they have on salary ride on the boat....

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Response Posted - 09/09/2013 : 10:38:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redeye
 AND .. the team should make the lawyers they have on salary ride on the boat....

Sharks on the boat????????????????

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Response Posted - 09/09/2013 : 10:41:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Derek Crawford
 I think that the entire crew should be from the Country represented.
Isn't that how it used to be in the "good old days"?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...meaning from the UAE? Robes and turbans--that'd be a sight on an AC-72!

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Response Posted - 09/12/2013 : 21:39:04

6-1 now... NZ wins race #7 by about 11 football fields after leading by barely a boat-length at the start. Upwind, Oracle is burned toast, apparently due to both boat design and sailing skills. Kudos to the NZ team, which, amazingly, is mostly New Zealanders. (The "Oracle/USA" crew is mostly Australians and New Zealanders, from the skipper down.)

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Response Posted - 09/13/2013 : 03:38:35

Although the technology is of interest, I would enjoy a monohull race much better. As with others, I also think Team USA members should be from the USA as well as other countries having their own team comprised form their citizens. Also, my thoughts are that the boats should be identical so the team made the difference. But then I guess it would not be the Americas Cup. Clearly, I do not know a lot of the history and rules of the Americas Cup.

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Response Posted - 09/13/2013 : 06:38:58

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by hewebb
 ...Also, my thoughts are that the boats should be identical so the team made the difference...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Then they might as well sail Island Packets.

I do like that design and technology are part of the mix, within limits. That's how we got the winged keel.

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shnool
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Response Posted - 09/13/2013 : 07:47:00

The America's cup has ALWAYS been MORE about technology than sailors.
The GREATEST sailing in the AC has been when great sailors bloodied the nose of the Great technology... See the races between Melges and Connor (America 3 and Stars and Stripes)... To me that was amazing to watch...

Oracle won that one race on tactics alone... and a mistake or two from NZ... otherwise they are sailing the technically inferior boat. Every win, or every time they are in front, means they either A) outsmarted their rivals or B) made less mistakes or C)capitalized nicely on NZ mistakes (and they don't make many)...

This DEFINES "sailing uphill."

In my own class in our little puddle of a lake, I sail the technically inferior (slower) boat. I root for the underdog... Cause the sailor who sails better than the guy who "should" win... is a helluva sailor!

As for sailors being from "the home country" they represent? Um, I couldn't disagree more. In no other place in the world are people from ALL nationalities accepted more readily than the USA. I like that the US has a mixed crew. I LIKE that they picked their team based SOLELY on merit, rather than birthplace.

Sadly, LIKE all sports, I am not motivated enough to actually watch it "LIVE." I always feel like I'm wasting time when I am behind a TV. However, I love that they run the highlights on Youtube... I watch them all, and study them for anything I can personally learn from them.

I don't think anyone can make sailing as popular as Tennis to watch... much less NASCAR or Monday Night football. That doesn't mean I don't care about what happens.

The traditions, and history behind the AC, and well in play... that includes the "cheating," and "courtrooms," and grossly outgunned final deathmatches, as well as ridiculous expenditures to win.

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Response Posted - 09/21/2013 : 15:27:36

Too much wind (21 knots): race postponed.

Not enough wind (8 knots--boats only going 20 knots): race abandoned.

Wind from wrong direction: race postponed.

It ain't your father's Americas Cup.

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Response Posted - 09/23/2013 : 17:27:42

Getting interesting, Oracle still in it. Great camera work. No days of anymore till the end they say.

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Response Posted - 09/23/2013 : 20:41:25

Yup--amazingly Oracle needs just three more wins (without a loss), while Emirates needs one. Oracle now has five in a row, coming back from 8-1.

Today's race was especially interesting... The start was almost dead even, marginal winds had both boats trying code zero headsails, currents and wind shifts played their parts, and Oracle seemed to make the best tactical decisions. Now that Oracle has improved their upwind speed, the two are about equal in speed, so tactics and execution are the determinants now. Oracle might be a little faster down-wind, and Emirates up-wind, but just barely.

It could be over tomorrow if Emirates wins one, or there could be one last race Wed. for the cup. I feel like if Oracle wins, the cup should go to Australia.

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Response Posted - 09/24/2013 : 10:10:11

Extraordinary comeback from such a huge deficit. They keep learning more and more with each race. It's now getting exciting. The last few races have been more like true match racing, with tactics and boat handling playing a much bigger role. If not for the penalty, it would be a tie match right now, but Oracle still has a huge task ahead.
Sad thing for ETNZ is that if the time limit had been 10 minutes longer, it be over already.

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Response Posted - 09/24/2013 : 12:06:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 Sad thing for ETNZ is that if the time limit had been 10 minutes longer, it be over already.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Yup--in unusually light air, Oracle had big problems with their code zero sail, which they had hardly ever used in a race. (They also appeared to have some trouble rolling it up once yesterday) The irony is, after the recent abandonment due to high wind during a race, the committee and Oracle offered to NZ to allow any race that was started, to finish--no more abandonments due to wind speed or time. NZ turned it down--said they had designed and prepared for racing under a set of rules, and didn't want the rules to change mid-course. That may have cost them the trophy--we'll see...

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Response Posted - 09/24/2013 : 14:48:09

Who'd of thunk it! 8 all and winner takes all tomorrow.
BTW how can Jobson claim that NZL is fast when often they seem to be 2 knots slower than Oracle.

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Response Posted - 09/24/2013 : 14:48:27

One and your done now, great work by team Oracle.

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Response Posted - 09/24/2013 : 15:13:59

Unbelievable! Seven USA wins in a row to tie it--one more race to decide it. The first race today was essentially decided by two penalties in the start, where the boats ended up bumping with NZ to windward. Oracle sped away while NZ got caught in irons. In the second, NZ won the first leg, made a couple of questionable decisions, and Oracle went over the horizon on them. At these speeds, every little error in handling or tactics can be devastating.

"If you're not rubbing, you're not racing." - Dean Barker, NZ skipper, about the bumps.

I won't miss tomorrow's final showdown--4:00 EDT on NBCSN. This is more exciting than I ever imagined.

BTW, has anyone here gone 50 mph in a boat? These guys are right at the edge of that, at 43 knots (49.5 mph), and the people in the chase boats have to be taking a beating! (Mine can go about 38 on fairly calm water, and it feels like flying!)

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Response Posted - 09/24/2013 : 15:20:35

"BTW, has anyone here gone 50 mph in a boat? "...yup, but not on a sailboat. Saw the start of race one, the US team played it real nice and just took off.

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Response Posted - 09/24/2013 : 15:58:06

Remember that NZL got dumped on 3 times when they were well ahead - once for too little wind, once for too much wind and once for time expired....that will be a real bummer if they lose tomorrow. Dean Barker looks devastated, Spithill has got inside his head!

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shnool
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Response Posted - 09/25/2013 : 06:22:04

Alright, I don't watch sports on TV... hate them actually... but if you sail, or ever watched an AC race before... YOU HAVE TO BE BITING YOUR NAILS NOW!

What gets me, is this next race ANYONE can watch... it doesn't take a master sailing tactician to figure out who is winning, and when someone screws up!

By the way, good on Team Emirates, and Oracle, for displaying some of the best sailing match racing yet, even with big pig 72 foot catamarans!
Gotta love it when even with boats doing 50+mph, there are just INCHES to spare at times... Wow what an awesome spectacle!

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Response Posted - 09/25/2013 : 08:06:50

Ya, the on-screen graphics are terrific--you see the course boundaries, the advantage one has over the other (graphically and in yards), instantaneous speed, VMG, and how changes in speed (as in going on and off foils) can make a 100 yard advantage happen or disappear in a heartbeat!

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 09/25/2013 : 10:42:04

I had my DVR set to record all the races and somehow lost most of them. Rita & I watched the first of the 7 in a row races last night, but that's all we had. We've got the DVR queued up on NBC Sports to record during the time the race is being run hoping that they broadcast that instead of whatever's currently in those time slots. If that fails, we can hook up one of the laptops & a HDMI cable and watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/americascup

I love watching the races, and really wish the DVR hadn't dumped them, I think recording the last Seahawks game put it over the top, and I also think it does a last in-first out overwrite.

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Response Posted - 09/25/2013 : 10:55:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I love watching the races, and really wish the DVR hadn't dumped them<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I had the same thing happen. If you look at your on-TV guide, the race isn't listed. A bunch of hunting and fishing shows are. I had to set up the DVR to record those shows to get it to work yesterday. The down side is, that while watching, the show that was listed stopped. I then had to go to the DVR menu and start the next recorded show.

I don't think they, the network, expected the race to last this long and so it isn't listed on the guide.

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shnool
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Response Posted - 09/25/2013 : 11:46:31

I'd add that NO ONE expected this series to last this long... FREAKING GO ORACLE (sorry I took a side)... coolest comeback in history!

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