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redeye
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Response Posted - 02/19/2014 :  06:50:01  Show Profile
Well.. I will sail this weekend and probably spend time adding cheek blocks and clam cleats to make a working traveler. Whoo Hoo.. I'll try to take some pics... Looking like a rainy weekend with a weak, warm wind from the south...
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redeye
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Response Posted - 02/19/2014 :  07:10:03  Show Profile
I have a bad tendency to think of my sail shape as the leech at the bottom cause it is right there in your face. always wanting to photography other boats just to look at their sail shape. You shoulda seen those FT10s out on Lanier weekends back... Talk about a nice sail shape on those Mylar mains...

I was struck by how little twist they were showing in 10 mph winds. Nice airfoil winglike design but the following edge must have been creating drag. At the time they were pointing as hard as they could to make it past an island.
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Response Posted - 02/19/2014 :  07:46:27  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by redeye</i>
<br />I have a bad tendency to think of my sail shape as the leech at the bottom cause it is right there in your face. always wanting to photography other boats just to look at their sail shape. You shoulda seen those FT10s out on Lanier weekends back... Talk about a nice sail shape on those Mylar mains...

I was struck by how little twist they were showing in 10 mph winds. Nice airfoil winglike design but the following edge must have been creating drag. At the time they were pointing as hard as they could to make it past an island.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I never heard of the Flying Tiger 10. They look fast - alot like the Melges 32, which is really hot!

I'd say you should begin to think about increasing twist when the <u>boatspeed</u> is at or below about 3-4 kts. You should experiment to find the point where it starts to help. Increasing twist is mostly a light air technique. In ten mph winds, a good racing boat ought to be able to make 7+ kts of boatspeed, and at that speed, your sails should be fairly flat. Last year I crewed regularly on a Beneteau First 40.7, which has a PHRF rating similar to the FT 10, and the skipper was not happy if we weren't making 7 kts in 10 mph winds.
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Response Posted - 02/19/2014 :  08:45:52  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Steve Milby</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by redeye</i>
<br />That is so interesting ... more speed by letting out the traveler.. sheeted to control the twist and gain speed from the winds aloft.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Right, and you want <u>more twist in light air and less twist in stronger winds</u>. It sounds complicated at first, but when you think about it, all at once a light bulb goes on in your brain and you realize that it isn't complicated at all.
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In very light air using a standard main, when sitting to leeward using gravity to create a pocket and crossing the boom over the centerline to help put more shape in the sail, twist is the shape that moves me.
I prefer full battens to maintain shape regardless of the wind and have a new full batten main on order from Gary at Ullman Ventura as we speak.
I think we all agree that maintaining sail shape is a stimulating challenge that helps make sailing engaging every minute.
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redeye
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Response Posted - 02/19/2014 :  11:05:20  Show Profile
&lt;&lt; I never heard of the Flying Tiger 10. &gt;&gt;

they could be the FT 7.5 for all I know .. I'll have to get some shots of them.. I see three of them racing from time to time.
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Response Posted - 02/19/2014 :  11:27:44  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by redeye</i>
<br />&lt;&lt; I never heard of the Flying Tiger 10. &gt;&gt;

they could be the FT 7.5 for all I know .. I'll have to get some shots of them.. I see three of them racing from time to time.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I googled "FT 10 sailboat" and this is what came up, also know as the Flying Tiger 10, designed by Bob Perry. It's a pretty nifty looking 10 meter (32 ft.) race boat, considering it was offered for sale in 2007 at an introductory price of $39,500. I thought that was what you were talking about. Apparently there's also a 7.5 version.
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redeye
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Response Posted - 02/19/2014 :  13:40:15  Show Profile
&lt;&lt; Flying Tiger Sailboats &gt;&gt;

Yepper... apparently it is a winter race series out of the Lake Lanier Sailing Club ( and they raced all winter, wow...) If I get out on one of the days they race I'll hafta get some pics.. very distinctive boats cause they are covering so much ground. ( and beating more to wind than my catalina by far!)
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