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77Gypsy
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Initially Posted - 03/10/2003 :  10:30:59  Show Profile
Hi i just joined, i have some questions, i just bought my 1977 and love it. i have the swing keel model. is it theoretically possible to sail close hauled with the keel all the way up? i guess what i'm asking is does the keel in the up position still cause enough lateral resistance under the boat? i'm not talking about racing but just pleasure cruising.
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 03/10/2003 :  11:29:46  Show Profile
Stephen - having sunk a swing keel C22 when the keel collapsed in a broach, my answer would be a resounding "NO"! I'm sure that Steve MIlby will have a technical explanation regarding changes in center of gravity and righting moments,I'll just go with experience <img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>
Derek (who, for some reason, now has a fixed keel...!)

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Ben
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Response Posted - 03/10/2003 :  11:40:48  Show Profile
Congratulations on your new family member, Steve! We just bought our 87 SR/SK this winter, and we've not even come close to sailing it yet with this bitter Ohio winter, but from everything I've read so far, it sounds like sailing with the keel up is a really bad idea. There's just too much weight in that keel (1500 pounds I think), and if it lets go while in the up position, a lot of damage will occur. Again, I've not even sailed mine yet so I'm not speaking from experience, simply from what I've read and learned from this board of the past few months.

by the way, where do you sail?



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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 03/10/2003 :  11:43:55  Show Profile
Sure you can sail close hauled with the keel up! Of course you will have much more leeway, the boat will heel a great deal more, and your progress will be very poor. You might THINK you are sailing to weather, but if there are other boats around, you will soon realize that you are not sailing WELL. Why would you want to do this? I have a swinger, but the keel is almost always DOWN except to trailer, or if the water gets thin, etc.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 03/10/2003 :  12:25:39  Show Profile
Congrat's and Welcome aboard, Steven!

I don't know about loss of lateral resistance, but of the times when I forgot to lower my swing keel on my last boat, I was soon reminded after the sails were up and I started to bear off the wind. The boat would heel over quickly and farther than normal, prompting me to say..."OOOOPS, I think I may have forgotten something!"(Athough somehow, it sounded more like "Oh Sh*t!").

I now have a fin, but I would recommend sailing your swinger the way it was designed, with the keel down.

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