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Kip C
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Initially Posted - 04/22/2003 : 08:31:32

Hi All,

The exterior teak on our boat doesn't look bad and I doubt it has ever been completely taken off and refinished, but there is some flaking. I'd like to touch it up this year and completely refinish next year. The previous owner used a product called Armada.
I was wondering what everyone thought of this product and what tips you may have for touching up.

Thanks,

Kip

'90 C25 #6021
WK/SR

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frich
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Response Posted - 04/22/2003 : 12:34:14

Hi Kip

Welcome aboard!! I too just finished my exterior teak, what i did is as follows
I removed the teak from the pop-top and handrails. First I gave it a good sanding. Then if your teak is grey as was mine use a 2 part teak cleaner which is acidic. I did not use a stif brush as the mfr recommends but instead a plain jane paint brush. You will be amazed how good this cleans the teak.

Then used CETOL Light (they also have a dark version) 2 coats followed by 2 coats of Cetol gloss. The teak looks great!!! Then i used life caulk to rebed the teak, masked off the surrounding areas w/ BLUE painters tape and tightened (not all the way) until the caulk oozed out. Waited a week and tighten the screws & nuts completly. I plan on doing the companionway trim and doors the same. Although for the trim i will not remove this, hence I will not use the acid teak cleaner for fear of damage to the gelcoat, but instead a water based product.

Hope this helps

Frank R
84 C25 SK

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 04/22/2003 : 12:45:20

I have used Armada some. In appearance and most other ways it greatly resembles Cetol original. That being the case, you could probably get by with sanding off the flaking material until you get down to clean wood where it has weathered. If the Armada is good in some places, you could leave it and coat right over with Armada. I think it is nearly as weather resistant as Cetol. I would suggest 3 coats if some of it goes over bare wood, just as Cetol. All this is contingent on the assumption that you like the color as it is/was.

This option may not be as good as taking it all off and stripping it all down to bare wood, but it "wood" save you some time and energy. I hope this answers your question....

Gary B.
Encore! #685 SK/SR

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/22/2003 : 14:47:40

Kip,

If you are going to completely refinish it <i>next year</i>, I would probably just remove the flakes and maybe do some light sanding just to make it look less neglected and skip "touching up" the finish for this season. It doesn't make too much sense to put the time and effort into putting a finish on teak when that finish is going to be removed at the end of the season, it just makes the the complete refinish job that much harder. I would just wait until the haulout in the fall, remove the teak, and take it home and refinish it over the winter.

Speaking of finish and look...

Firstly, you should decide what kind of effort you are willing to put forth in maintaining your exterior teak before selecting a finish. A lot of people do nothing and go for the grey look, others painstakingly put on 10 coats of varnish every year. In between those two extremes, you have people who simply oil the teak to people who use Cetol, Armada,...etc. All this depends on the effort your willing to expend.

Secondly, select the product(or not, if you like grey teak), that will get you to a maintenace level and look that makes you comfortable. You should walk around the marina or boatyard until you find a teak job you like and then ask the owner, "Hey, you got some good lookin' teak there,...What do you use?". I'm sure the proud owner would be more than glad to tell you all about it.

I, personally, like Cetol satin finish for it's more subdued finish and sheen. Quite honestly, I have a 23 year old boat who's deck doesn't shine as it once did and it has it's share of bumps and bruises, but that's okay, because it's supposed to look like that after that many years. Using the subdued finish of the satin Cetol, to my eye, allows the teak to co-exist with the somewhat weathered gel coat thereby enhancing the entire boat.

The high gloss finish on the other hand, again in MY eye, put's too much contrast between the teak and the gel coat. Without question, the high gloss teak sure look's beautiful, but when you put it on the boat next to the weathered topsides it makes the decks look that much more beat up. Kinda like putting a freshly painted, shiny new fender on a 20 year old, sun faded, dinged up car. Sure, that shiny new fender looks great, but the contrast really makes the rest of the car look like a wreck. Again, in MY eye anyway.

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MikeM
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Response Posted - 04/24/2003 : 13:10:59

I use Armada, and I think it looks less orange than Cetol.

As for application, I would recommend sanding down the teak (removing as much as you can). Start with a medium grade, end with a fine. Apply Armada - 3 coats.

Each season I lightly sand teh teak with a fine sandpaper and apply one coat of Armada, and it looks perfect.

Armada is great and weathers instead of peeling/cracking like other products.

Mike M
Marblehead, MA
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MikeM
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Response Posted - 04/24/2003 : 13:15:19

Oh by the way I forgot to mention. After sanding you should use a teak cleaner and acetone before applying Armada. Also plan to use 3M 4200 (NOT 5200!!) for bedding the rails back on.

Mike M
Marblehead, MA
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/24/2003 : 15:07:35

I used Cetol then the gloss finish.

this isn't the greatest photo in the world to look at the teak, but there is a piece or two of it in view.

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dw

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RichardG
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Response Posted - 04/24/2003 : 17:00:13

A few years ago I refinished all the wood on my dinghy (except the oars) with Armada.

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The rub rail and wood along the rail (not sure what that's called) take a lot of physical abuse, and then get further trashed with a lot of chemical abuse from pollution (LA Harbor). In lieu of a complete refinish job, each year I sand (150 paper) the chipped parts a little, feathering into the surrounding areas -- then a quick touch up on all the wood with Armada. Next day, another coat. First day, it takes about 20 minutes; second day, about 10 minutes. While certainly not perfect, it makes a big difference with a minimum amount of labor.

RichardG 81 C25 SR/FK "Sanity"

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