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77Gypsy
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Initially Posted - 05/08/2003 : 14:09:30

is there a certain company??? hinkley? taswell?

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Response Posted - 05/08/2003 : 14:47:23

Those two certainly rank high for production boats. Custom built one-offs are probably the highest quality and are made by companies most of us have never heard of.

Going cruising there Steven <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> ?

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Response Posted - 05/08/2003 : 14:49:10

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>What is the "rolls royce" of blue water yachts? Is there a certain company??? Hinkley? Taswell?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

To answer your question, pick up a Cruising World magazine, go to the classified section, and look at ads for very large cruising yachts that don't have any prices listed. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>Don Lucier<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>
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Response Posted - 05/08/2003 : 14:56:02

In my humble opinion, there are several "Blue Water" cruising boat companies on the top of the list:

Pacific Seacraft
Island Packet

If money were not a concern I would buy the Pacific Seacraft 44:

<img src="http://www.pacificseacraft.com/images/PSC44/psc44underSail.jpg" border=0>

specs at http://www.pacificseacraft.com/cgi-bin/sitenav.php?4401

Someday I plan to sail off on my 2nd full time cruise. At that time, I will probably be in something more like this:

<img src="http://www.westsail.com/forsale/aralia1.jpg" border=0>

The venerable Westsail 32.


Since money is a concern I have a Catalina 25!

Indiscipline 1978 FK #398

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Response Posted - 05/08/2003 : 15:13:17

If your looking for something that is still made today I'll put another vote in for Island Packet.

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
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Response Posted - 05/08/2003 : 16:25:06

In my neck of the woods, or nook of the bay, there is no contest.

Gozzard.

http://www.gozzard.com/gallery.htm

Made in Canada eh!

Catalina is a close second.

<img src="http://www.gozzard.com/main/gallery/Gozzard37/images/g37sail1.jpg" border=0>
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Response Posted - 05/08/2003 : 16:30:57

To me, the ultimate boat is the Valiant 40, a fast performance cruiser and a Sailboat Hall of Fame member since 1997. She's got them salty lines that I love!

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Response Posted - 05/08/2003 : 16:31:30

Cabo Rico 38 gets my vote.

http://www.caborico.com/caborico/caborico38.html

Brian.
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Response Posted - 05/08/2003 : 16:34:30

You mean it isn't the Catalina 25? Why didn't somebody tell me that before I bought one?!?!?!?!?!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Stewart Eads
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Response Posted - 05/08/2003 : 16:37:52

Great suggestions.

I've never seen one in person, but pictures of Cherubinis are incredible. Check out Ferenc Mate's books on the world's best sailboats.

Brooke

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Response Posted - 05/08/2003 : 16:55:47

I like the ones you guys have mentioned, and would add the Swan to the list.

Steve Milby "Captiva Wind" C-25 T/FK #2554

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Stu Jackson C34
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Response Posted - 05/08/2003 : 17:11:19

Hallberg-Rassey, too.

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Response Posted - 05/08/2003 : 17:26:30

Okay guys,

Those "little" boats are nice.

Have a gander at SV "Georgia" at the bitter end yacht club <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>.

Sorry so blurry. It's the only photo I could find.

That 80 foot motoryacht is her tender <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>.

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3db29b3127cce979f03d58ffd0000001610" border=0>

PW

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Response Posted - 05/08/2003 : 18:27:35

Gotta agree with JimB517....since money is an object I have a Catalina 25. I once read that what makes the World great is the large number of people on it, they each have their own opinion. While it can be quantified just what defines a class of boats to be true "bluewater" sailors I think the size of the group would be substantial.

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Response Posted - 05/08/2003 : 19:16:48

McGregor!<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

RichardG 81 C25 SR/FK "Sanity"

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Response Posted - 05/08/2003 : 19:56:16

Richard,

You must be talking about the Macgregor 65.

<img src="http://www.macgregor26.com/65sailingcatalina.jpg" border=0>

<img src="http://www.macgregor26.com/aerial70rev.jpg" border=0>

<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>Don Lucier<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>
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Response Posted - 05/08/2003 : 22:33:44

Whoa... Even the big ones are ugly! Looks like the mast broke and they're sailing a jury rig.

For production boats, I like Pacific Seacraft and Hinckley. No corners cut on those puppies... Amazing pieces of work! But given the choice, I'd rather have Passage and the rest of my life off.

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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Response Posted - 05/09/2003 : 08:28:02

Some of these boats are beautiful, and all of them are sturdy, alright (MacGregor excepted), but I will side with Steve M. Give me a Swan and I will be in port before most of the the rest of these boats. Remember, Dreamers, if you pick a big, slow "Tank" to cross oceans with, you may be in a safe boat, but you'll be out there twice as long, with twice as much time to catch foul weather, etc. I want to get across! No 3-4 week passages for me!

Gary B.
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Response Posted - 05/09/2003 : 08:32:22

The most used world cruiser here is Capt. Eric's Westsail 42', Fiona, seconded by Capt. Pete's 41' Bristol, Pearl.

The Westy is currently on it's fourth world cruise. Soon to put up this summer for a haul out and refitting and then off again following a grand bash at the yard.

The Bristol has been on the hard since returning from Pete's try for French Polynesia.

I seem to prefer the Hans Christian 33. It's an able blue water cruiser still managed by a single person.

Val on Calista # 3936

Val Bisagni]<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3df11b3127cce94709c5ff2e90000000010" border=0>

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Response Posted - 05/09/2003 : 13:17:18

Way back when I was still in college someone asked my enology professor what the best wine was. His quick response was, "The cheapst you think tasts good."

The family and I went to the Jack London boat show a couple of weeks ago. We liked almost everything we saw. They all had their good points. Well even Brigitte, the horse lady, didn't like the mac. But we both thought for the money the Catalina line seemed to be the best. They might not look as plush, but when push comes to shove, for similar size, accomidations, and accutriments the Catalina was significantly lower in cost. What I would like is a nice lets say 31' catalina and a coarsair 28 for speed.

Matt/Brigitte Loeffler
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Response Posted - 05/09/2003 : 13:36:12

One way to rate boats that I have come up with is cost per foot. Another more widely accepted measure of quality for a blue water full displacement sailboat is cost per pound.

1998 Pacific Seacraft 44 $449,000 cost per foot = $10,204
cost per pound = $16.3

1979 Catalina 25 FK $6500 cost per foot = $260
cost per pound = $1.18

Cost to maintain a 44 (Southern CA) at least $25,000/year (slip fees, haul out, insurance, fuel ...) If you took a loan consider doubling that to include interest. That's assuming you do all the work (unlikely). True costs could be $50K and up.

Cost to maintain a 25 (Southern CA) $5000/year (year round slip, annual haulout, buying new things all the time ...).

Consider you get 50 sailing days in per year. Cost of a day on the water in a Cat 25 $100 or less. Cost of a day on the water in the 44 $500 to $1000.

Note that you could buy 4 older Catalina 25s per year (and throw them away when they are dirty) for the cost of ownership of the 44.

Indiscipline 1978 FK #398

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Response Posted - 05/09/2003 : 14:14:24

I agree that a C25 is a wonderful boat per pound or per foot or per anything. My boat moves as much or more than any boat in our marina, and I've noticed there's an inverse relationship between the size of the boat and how often it leaves the dock. The yard hand at my marina says there are boats docked there whose owners he's never seen. The big boats at the marina seem to be mostly used for weekend parties at the dock.

The question was "what's the 'rolls royce' of blue water yachts?" No one has ever accused the C25 of being a blue water yacht. Furthermore, no one has ever accused it of being a Rolls Royce. Is that a bad thing? I think not. It's like all the idiots driving around in Hummers: I want to ask them when they think they're going to be under attack. Or the monster SUV drivers commuting down the interstate to work (hmmm. . . how many of you did I just offend?) I wouldn't have a Rolls if I had the money. I drive a Toyota and a Honda. They are basic and well built and economical and reliable and comfortable. Sort of like a . . . . Catalina!

Now, if I were going to make passage, I would not be doing it on "Even Chance." I'm not sure I would really do it on any Catalina, although many folks have (like the C27 that circumnavigated, but only after some considerable modification). I would want an IP or a Valiant or Maramu or something pretty beefy. But I'm not going to do that, and my C25, I'm convinced, is the best boat, all things considered, for the kind of sailing I do. Someday when I have the leisure to really stay on the boat for extended periods of time, I think I'd love to have a C 310. In the meantime. . . I have an outboard to be rehung.

Happy weekend sailing, y'all!

Brooke

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Response Posted - 05/09/2003 : 16:40:56

Hey ! Thanks for snapping us all back into reality Brooke ! I was quite enjoying all the entries submitted to this thread. In fact, my virutal fleet was forming quite nicely. I had my future lottery winnings almost spent.

I can't let you end this thread just yet, Brooke. I'm going back into my dream now, and I want to see more contributions to this thread !

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Ooooo, there's one now..

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Response Posted - 05/09/2003 : 17:38:46

OK, then, jm. You want to see the most amazingly yare thing I've ever seen? Check out these pics of the Cherubini 48 foot staysail schooner. There's one for sale on another link for a paltry $ 440K

http://www.indecherub.com/worlds_best_sailboats_3.htm

Chase the links for the next few pages to look at the most beautiful teakwork on the water.

Brooke

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Response Posted - 05/09/2003 : 17:54:44

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
OK, then, jm. You want to see the most amazingly yarething I've ever seen? Check out these pics of the Cherubini 48 foot staysail schooner. There's one for sale on another link for a paltry $ 440K

Chase the links for the next few pages to look at the most beautiful teakwork on the water.

Brooke <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

WOW ... that is one of the most beautiful sailboats I've ever seen!

That is my idea of a nice boat ... I'm trying to sink mine with teak, brass, and stainless steel ... IMHO that stuff just seems to belong on a sailboat.

Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 05/11/2003 : 11:39:18

Robinhood yachts
http://www.robinhoodyachts.com/robinhoodyachts/robinhoodyachts_4.html

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