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Bruce Baker
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Initially Posted - 05/29/2003 : 08:49:46

Is there a maximum legal capacity for a C-25? I'm thinking of taking a bunch of friends out for an evening "booze cruise" and don't want to run afoul of the Coast Guard. They're likely to come snooping around if I have 12 people on deck. Should I worry?

Bruce Baker
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/29/2003 : 09:08:15

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Is there a maximum legal capacity for a C-25? I'm thinking of taking a bunch of friends out for an evening "booze cruise" and don't want to run afoul of the Coast Guard. They're likely to come snooping around if I have 12 people on deck. Should I worry?

Bruce Baker
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There is actually a formula. Boats today are also supposed to have a capacity plate, I believe our boats were made before that came into effect.

check out this link

http://www.boatinged.com/course/lesson-4/l4-p33.html

According to that you can have 13 people on board. If your just motoring I would say you could go with ten, provided people don't mind being below. If your sailing, no more than 7.

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
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Mark Loyacano
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Response Posted - 05/29/2003 : 09:10:40

I don't know how Virginia looks at a "booze cruise" ... but, at the very least, in Kansas one will have his driver's license revoked for that.

Mark L.
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/29/2003 : 09:16:09

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I don't know how Virginia looks at a "booze cruise" ... but, at the very least, in Kansas one will have his driver's license revoked for that.

Mark L.
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I think in most states as long as the skipper is sober you will be okay.

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 05/29/2003 : 10:44:26

You also need to have a life jacket for every person on board...
Derek

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jtbarrett
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Response Posted - 05/29/2003 : 14:51:44

In the great state of Virginia.

.08 is the legal limit in any moterized vehicle period. Also they will take your drivers license for offenses on the water. Now if your under sail.....well...no worries.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/29/2003 : 15:23:12

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In the great state of Virginia.

.08 is the legal limit in any moterized vehicle period. Also they will take your drivers license for offenses on the water. Now if your under sail.....well...no worries.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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I have a funny feeling the coast guard isn't going to care if your outboard is running or not!!!!...

We get an additional 2 hundreths in Ohio .10 is our limit. Of course if your under legal drinking age you get .02

dw

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 05/30/2003 : 08:27:20

Where do you put twelve people on a C25?

It sounds to me as though you need a pontoon boat, not a sailboat.

I also think, contrary to the prevailing culture, that significant amounts of alcohol and water sports don't mix.

Brooke

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/30/2003 : 08:37:20

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Where do you put twelve people on a C25?

Brooke

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On the Lido Deck! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

I didn't come up with the formula, I just found it. If you want them all on Deck, I don't think its going to happen under sail. Under power you can put someone on the bow, someone under the boom (or take off the boom), etc etc...

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/30/2003 : 08:48:24

In the State of Michigan,

"Riding on Bow is illegal if the vessel is not equipped with bow seating and the vessel is operating at greater than *slow-no wake speed. Persons are also not allowed to ride on the gunwale. While underway, persons on a vessel cannot sit, stand or walk on any portion of a vessel not designed for that purpose."

* “Slow-No Wake”
The slowest speed at which it is still possible to maintain steering and does not create a wake

And in the State of Virginia

<img src="http://www.boat-ed.com/va/handbook/images/va_cover.jpg" border=0>

Unlawful Operation & Proper Navigation

In addition to the laws mentioned previously, here are some other Virginia regulations which apply when boat and PWC operators are on the water.

Unlawful Operation of a Boat or PWC
Reckless operation of a boat or PWC is defined as the failure to exercise the care necessary to prevent the endangerment of life, limb, or property of any other person. Some examples of illegal and reckless operation are:

"...Allowing passengers to ride on the bow, gunwale,
transom, seat backs, seats on raised decks, or any other place where there may be a chance of falling overboard..."

Here's the link to the Handbook of Virginia Boating Laws and Responsibilities.

http://www.boat-ed.com/va/handbook

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/30/2003 : 10:04:22

Don - That stinks...

So how would one operate a sailboat in a race in Virginia?

8 people on the rail, bowman standing on the pulpit getting ready for a spinaker takedown, tactician standing on the transom - that would be 10 counts, 3 violations at one mark rounding.

I guess though in Virginia you could always sail out twelve miles and do what ever the heck you wanted...

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
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LOREN SOUERS
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Response Posted - 05/30/2003 : 10:24:50

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In the great state of Virginia.

.08 is the legal limit in any moterized vehicle period. Also they will take your drivers license for offenses on the water. Now if your under sail.....well...no worries.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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I have a funny feeling the coast guard isn't going to care if your outboard is running or not!!!!...

We get an additional 2 hundreths in Ohio .10 is our limit. Of course if your under legal drinking age you get .02

dw

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
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Obviously, Duane is not aware of Senate Bill 123 in Ohio, which becomes effective 1-1-04. We in Ohio will be joining the other states with a .08 breath/alcohol standard. The boys in Washington push this on the states by tacking these requirements to highway funds.

Sorry for the bad news.

Loren, skipper
Nimue (pronounced nim-way)
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/30/2003 : 11:22:56

Loren -

Yes, I was aware of that...

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 05/30/2003 : 11:36:09

Here in GA the DNR will bust you just for looking at them.

It doesn't matter what the "legal" limit is. The police can charge you with a DUI based on their judgement of the situation and your appearance to them. "He seemed drunk to me".

Be safe,

PW

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77Gypsy
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Response Posted - 05/30/2003 : 12:00:12

i think 12 on deck wopuld be pushing it. you may run into problems mooring and docking with all the confusion. i sailed a 23 footer with 5 people and it was absolutely crowded, i couldn't even reach the sheets, i was constantly telling people to move out of the way of all the running rigging.

Steve
78 C25 SR/FK - Gypsy

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jsummerfield
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Response Posted - 06/01/2003 : 19:12:27

I briefly motored from my marina about a kilometer into Galveston Bay and back to the marina with 10 people. Ten was too many for me. Visibility passed so people was among my bigger concerns in the channel. Eight sounds acceptable to me.

Each of us have our own limitations regardless of regulations. Regarding a booze cruise, I might have a beer if sailing on the bay. Typically my spouse won't. Were I to consume more I would likely hand the tiller to my spouse. I believe that party yachts still take people onto the bay for moonlight sails and over to the Wednesday evening sailing races with the tap flowing wide open. However, I think that the 0.08% blood alcohol applies in Texas. It would surely apply to the captain on an inspected charter vessel.

I am offshore in the Bay of Campeche right now. I head to Houston Tuesday. That Wednesday night boat race cruise thing sounds pretty good about now. Have one for me in the mean time.

John

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