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Headhunter
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Initially Posted - 06/02/2003 : 13:38:05

Going to be upgrading sails soon and am looking to put a new headsail system in place. Using hanks on the original dacron genny now. I want a "tuff luff" type system - Tuff Luff themselves seem a bit expensive. Anyone have any suggestions as to where else to look?

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Response Posted - 06/02/2003 : 19:39:28

Doug,

If you are not a racer and you are looking to upgrade your sail inventory, you might want to consider a roller furling system. The cost of two headsails(working jib and genoa) and a tuff luff system might be close to a roller furling system and one genoa. I used to be a hanker and now I'm a furler, and it is so much easier that I'll never go back. Just something to think about if you are not a racer.

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Response Posted - 06/02/2003 : 20:34:37

When I first got my 25 it had roller furling and a nice set of headsails - 3- that the roller furling had obviously replaced. I went to the hanked sails after having a little trouble in pointing with the roller furled headsail. Wouldn't go back unless I gave up club racing.

Tom

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Dave Seely
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Response Posted - 06/03/2003 : 19:38:01

http://www.headfoil.com/

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Headhunter
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Response Posted - 06/05/2003 : 18:47:27

Is there any other reason to have a sailboat except to race?

Thanks for the link.

Doug Riley
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Response Posted - 06/05/2003 : 21:47:30

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Is there any other reason to have a sailboat except to race? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Yes!

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Response Posted - 06/06/2003 : 11:50:58

Doug - on "This Side Up" I have a double headfoil and luff tape on all the jibs. The local experts say that it's worth 3 secs a mile over hanked-on sails. It also allows us to do sail changes while racing and still keep a headsail up during the change - it's almost normal for us to start in 15 knots+/- and have the wind drop to 5 before we finish the first race! (Or go the other way!!) I think that the double foil attachment was $180 - but that was almost 10 years ago <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Response Posted - 06/09/2003 : 05:30:34

Derek,
I dont want to unstep my mast. I have a hanked on jib.
Is it possible to go to a headfoil and lufftape system without
unstepping the mast?
Is this the same as a roller-furling?
I don't understand.
Would I use the jib halyard to pull forward on the mast while I
disconnected the forestay to attach the furler / headfoil / lufftape?
Thanks for you input.

Cap'n Dave
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 06/09/2003 : 10:45:01

Capn.Dave - if memory serves me correctly, you don't have to undo the forestay to install a headfoil. It slides over the forestay - it's a long stretch of plastic with a round slot at the front to go over the stay, and two grooves at the back to accept the luff tape on the headsails. It comes with a brass prefeeder which has to be tightly taped on the stay below the foil.
I can take pics next Saturday if you like. And no, it's not a bit related to roller furling! You still have to haul up a jib using the halyard.
Derek

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Headhunter
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Response Posted - 06/12/2003 : 09:59:46

Keep in mond that if you are using hanks now, you would have to have luff tape installed on all your headsails if you are going to use a headfoil type system.

Here's some info I found: www.headfoil.com

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Response Posted - 06/12/2003 : 10:04:47

Hey Derek...

Although it certainly would be illegal for racing, have you tried basically wing on wing with two headsails out. I was thinking that with two slots, you could do it, but don't know for sure.

Doug Riley
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 06/12/2003 : 10:30:36

Doug - that's an interesting idea. The bluewater cruisers use it often but usually are using a genoa and a staysail on two separate halyards. I think you need two whisker poles to do it successfully with a head foil (and I only own one!) It is definitely illegal in PHRF racing. It's real advantage (besides the 3 secs it's worth over hanked-on sails) is to be able to do a headsail change without running bareheaded. In our long distance races it's not uncommon to have to use a 110 going to weather (the whole length of the lake) and then have a 155 ready to hoist and pole out as we round the weather mark for the run downwind.
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Response Posted - 06/12/2003 : 13:49:00

That's my kinda talk!

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