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Bob3589
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Initially Posted - 06/04/2003 : 14:27:41

I've read that you should always remove battens when securing the mainsail but i have never heard or read why. Putting battens in and removing them is kind of hard - especially removing them when bringing the sail down on a pitching deck (i don't have lazy jacks yet). Why can't you leave them in and just fold them in line with the boom as you fold the sail - and they are already in the sail when you raise the main ?? I am new to sailing - sailed my C25 last week for first time. Thanks for your advice.
Bob.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 06/04/2003 : 16:24:40

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I've read that you should always remove battens when securing the mainsail but i have never heard or read why. Putting battens in and removing them is kind of hard - especially removing them when bringing the sail down on a pitching deck (i don't have lazy jacks yet). Why can't you leave them in and just fold them in line with the boom as you fold the sail - and they are already in the sail when you raise the main ?? I am new to sailing - sailed my C25 last week for first time. Thanks for your advice.
Bob.

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First - After you post do not hit the back button on your browser. Wait for it to cycle throgh then hit the Catalina specific forum or the general forum link. That should eliminate the second posting that happened.

Secondly - No you do not need to remove the battens. What you need to make sure of is that the battens lie flat and parrallel with the boom (either on top or on the side) when you flake your main. Also, try not to put too much pressure on the sail ties that are directly on a batten so that you don't warp them. The only possible exception is the very top batten, which due to the sail shape near the mast, might not be able to lie flat.

(I am posting this on both of your original posts in case you don't make your way back to one of them.)

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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Douglas
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Response Posted - 06/04/2003 : 18:57:11

You mean you still flake your main ? If you dont have lazzy jacks here is another good method to stow the main. It works great if your single handing too. Drop the main go forward and stand to either side of the main. Grab aprox 3 to 4 feet of the bottom of the sail and pull it out like a sheet. Stuff / tuck the rest of the sail lenghtwise into the long flat 3' sheet pulling aft on the sail as you tuck it into the bottom envelope. It should now look like a burito. Next step roll the sail up like a burito untill it rests on top of the boom and tie it in place with sail ties. Thats it. Works great its fast and neat and works good on BIG sails.

Doug&Ruth
Triska (Alberg 29)
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matsche
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Response Posted - 06/04/2003 : 19:48:30

Doug:
That burrito method sounds interesting but I just can't picture it. It seems to me that the slugs would prevent you from rolling it up like that. You wouldn't happen to have any pictures of that technique would you?

John Matsche 1985 TR/FK #5171

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 06/04/2003 : 23:10:08

The slugs don't get involved, they never leave the track.

You're basically making a pocket or bed of the loose sail material you're pulling off to one side of the boom, folding the remaining material into it... then rolling the original 'grab' back over the top.

Easy and makes a pretty neat package.
Sail Burrito. Maybe a 'sail taquito' or 'flauta.' too.

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 06/04/2003 : 23:41:25

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Easy and makes a pretty neat package.
Sail Burrito. Maybe a 'sail taquito' or 'flauta.' too.
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I also use the "burrito roll up" method. It works well with my full-batten main.

Larry Charlot
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Sacramento, CA

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matsche
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Response Posted - 06/05/2003 : 07:19:56

OK. Just to make sure my lame brain has comprehended this. Say, for example, I'm pulling it to starboard. Pull the loose sail that is supported by the bottom 2 slugs to the right to form a sheet. Pull over the loose sail between the next set of slugs to the right (while pulling aft as well) and lay "on top" of the 1st sheet? Continue all the way up, then roll it over on the boom. Sorry to belabor the point but, is that it?

John Matsche 1985 TR/FK #5171

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 06/05/2003 : 09:50:24

"...Continue all the way up, then roll it over on the boom..."

Yup, sounds close... Instead of flaking back and forth on top of the boom, you're simply using that 'pocket' or 'sheet' to lay the rest of the sail in... then rolling it back over the boom.

I think once you try it you'll see what we are talking about. It is one of those things where a picture is worth a million words.

Perhaps Doug&Ruth will post some pictures.

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 06/05/2003 : 12:17:02

Next time I'm down at the boat Ill take some pic's of how to do it. It takes a lot less time.

Doug&Ruth
Triska (Alberg 29)
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matsche
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Response Posted - 06/05/2003 : 18:16:22

Thanks for the explanation guys. I also found a description of that technique in the Annapolis book of Seamanship as their recommended method. I need to get out there and give it try!

John Matsche 1985 TR/FK #5171

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 06/06/2003 : 08:49:02

Just a note: For those of you with the mylar or newer hi tech material sails you will want to roll your main for the least amount of wear. (this means no mast gates)

DW

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