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vicarsvice
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Initially Posted - 06/14/2003 : 18:18:24

Any advice/ideas about how to rig my main halyard aft? What works best. I am a singlehandler and need sail "smarter".

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Betty

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Dave B
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Response Posted - 06/14/2003 : 23:01:53

Welcome, Betty!

First, you'll need a longer halyard, so you might as well change to all rope (if you still have rope-to-wire). That requires new sheaves at the masthead--for external halyards, you should contact Belpat Marine on Long Island for custom sheaves that are precisely the right size--the usual sources don't make 'em. Some people have run rope halyards through the wire sheaves, but the sheaves really aren't wide enough and are likely to break under the strain or jam the halyard.

Next, you need a mast base plate (under the tabernacle) with holes for attaching a swivel block for turning the halyard out from the mast. Of course, the mast must come down to install it, and to put in the new sheaves.

Finally, you need at least one "organizer" or cheek block that turns the halyard back between the poptop and the hand rail to a rope clutch or cam cleat. Some put a winch just aft of the clutch or cleat on the cabintop--I haven't found it necessary. I installed triple organizers and double rope clutches on both sides to handle the main halyard, a dousing line for the main, and two reefing lines. The topping lift and vang (if you have them) are other possibilities for leading aft.

Catalina Direct offers packages that include the plate, blocks, organizers, clutches, and even low-stretch halyards for whatever configuration you want. Just forget about their sheaves unless you have internal halyards (or plan to rig them). At the least, you'll probably want to get their C-25 mast base plate--you can get everything else anywhere else, and possibly for less.

I've probably left lots of unanswered questions, or created more confusion than light... Keep asking. <img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle> Somebody will probably even post some pictures!

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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Ed Montague
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Response Posted - 06/14/2003 : 23:07:00

Betty I hope these photos help you understand what will be needed for carrying the halyards and other control lines to the cockpit.
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At the base of the mast will be a mast plate that you will attach blocks to turn the line. Then through a deck organizer to send the line to rope clutches near the rear of the coach top. The picture will be easier to understand then my explaination. I have found this to be a valuable feature for my single handing. The autohelm makes a great crew while setting and adjusting sails. Hope this helps and if you have any more specific questions just ask.

Ed Montague on 'Yahoo'
1978 #765 SK, Stnd, Dinette ~_/)~

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Response Posted - 06/14/2003 : 23:15:34

Hey Ed: What are we looking at there--a traveler for a club-footed jib? If so, how well does it work?

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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Response Posted - 06/14/2003 : 23:27:19

More photos. Top photo is the deck organizer.
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Second photo is the rope clutch on port side.

I don't use the winch very often however it does give me something to run the line over instead of the fiberglass edge of the pop top. If you look very closely you can just make out where the line rubbing the fiberglass has left a groove. It is a little deeper now after another year.<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b2da34b3127cce9d3538ce930d0000004610" border=0>

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1978 #765 SK, Stnd, Dinette ~_/)~

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 06/15/2003 : 01:43:02

My C25 has a track for a self tending jib too.. very similar if not identical to the one on Ed's boat... is it just coincidence that my C25 is a '78 model too? or (I'm wondering), were self-tackers an option in that year?

What a bristol vessel... what sort of cabin windows are those?
(the wood trimmed ones)

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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Response Posted - 06/16/2003 : 12:13:51

Bruce, Thank you for the compliment. I don't know what Clam Beach has to offer wind wise. You are pretty far north, I can only imagine it is strong along the coast and I don't know where your boat came from. What I have found is that boats that were purchased in the Stockton, CA area and were sailed in the Delta are more likely to have the club footed jib. I have seen other boats, of all makes, around the San Francisco Bay Area that have the very same set up. Seems that there was a gentleman in Stockton who did the work. There are very few large areas to sail, a ton of wind and tack, tack, tack. I have only used the club footed set up a few times. I wasn't satisfied with it, probably because I wasn't using it correctly. So I removed most of the hardware. The track remains. I just received a 150 Genoa and roller furler from The Sailware House and look forward to getting that sail installed this week.

As for the windows in the head. They are Lemar opening ports purchased from Catalina Direct. The ports could not be exactly matched size wise so I needed to fill the gaps on the forward and rear edges. I made up the wood trim you see on the outside as well as inside. I purchased mahogany from the local lumber yard. I felt more comfortable working with wood then filling with fiberglass, gelcoating, etc.

Ed Montague on 'Yahoo'
1978 #765 SK, Stnd, Dinette ~_/)~

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 06/16/2003 : 13:00:52

Hi Ed.
Nice looking teak on your boat.
What teak finish do you use?
What the heck is a club footed jib?
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Frank Gloss
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 06/16/2003 : 22:58:48

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>What the heck is a club footed jib?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

It is a jib(less than 100%) that is equipped with a boom that allows it to be self-tending, like the main sail.

<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>Don Lucier<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>
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Response Posted - 06/17/2003 : 00:07:38

Don is correct, the Jib is about a 90%. The problem I had was the boom end would hang up on the forward lowers. I don't think I had things set up properly and quite honestly I sail with a 150 most of the time. When it really pipes up I will reef the main and when it blows like stink I put the 90 up without the club foot part.

As far as the teak goes, I use West Marine's WoodPro Gloss. I stripped and sanded everything, gave it three coats and there you go. A light sanding and one coat at the start of the season is all I have done. I have used this product for four years, no complaints.

Ed Montague on 'Yahoo'
1978 #765 SK, Stnd, Dinette ~_/)~

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 06/17/2003 : 10:08:19

Thanks Ed.

Like you, when I refinished my teak after stripping and sanding I used varnish only (Bristol Finish) That way if you get a nick in the teak you don't have to worry about color matching first when you use Cetol, then varnish.

I like your rope clutch setup. I have two triple Spinlock XAS clutches toinstall. Other than the main and jib halyards I'm not sure what to run to them. I guesse that when I install a single line reefing system I can run that, and then maybe the boom vang. What lines do you run to your main, and jib side?

Frank Gloss
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Response Posted - 06/17/2003 : 15:03:41

When I first put the clutches on I thought I would have a spare. HA!!! what a joke. To port are Jib halyard, boom vang and single line reef. To starboard is main halyard, topping lift, and main down haul.

Ed Montague on 'Yahoo'
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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 06/17/2003 : 21:00:27

Small world. Yes, my boat came out of the Sacramento River Delta... it was probably set up with the clubbed jib for exactly the reasons you described, and possibly by the same fellow.

Summertime Humboldt Bay weather is very similar to SF Bay... calm foggy mornings with pretty stiff winds in the afternoon, diminishing as the sun goes down. It's 6 pm here and there's a nice 15 kt breeze right now.

We have a tremendous tidal flush through the narrow central section of bay... coming back uphill it's tack tack tack... Since I single hand a lot, I really like the self-tending staysail on the V23 (cutter rigged).

I may see if I can rig up the self-tacker on the C25. But right now I'd better get out and get busy working on the keel or I'll never splash it.

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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