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lcharlot
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Initially Posted - 07/15/2003 : 08:39:21

I am trying to update my article "How to Shop For a Catalina 25", which many of you have read. I would like to add a reference to hull numbers made in each model year, if anyone knows what they are. There were 4 distinct versions of the boat, that I call the "Mark I" through "Mark IV":
Mark I: 1977 through 1980 model year, Distinguishing feature: Gas tank in Lazarette, Only 1 hatch on port side of cockpit seat, and "L" shaped dinette.
Mark II: 1981 to 1985. Distinguishing Features: Gas tank in separate locker (2 hatches on port side cockpit seat), cabin still has aluminum window frames, "Fore-and-aft" dinette replaces "L" dinette.
Mark III: 1986-1987. Distinguishing Features: Flush mount Lexan cabin windows, First Wing Keel and first Inboard Diesel in 1986, Last swing keel and possibly last Dinette in 1987 (were any Dinettes made after 1987?).
Mark IV: 1988-1991. Distinguishing Features: 4" more headroom due to Cabin sole being flush with hull (no bilge space), this due to removal of Swing Keel option. New style stern pulpit with integrated main sheet traveller. All Mark IV's are believed to be Traditional interior. Total production of all Mark IV's about 224, of which 50 were Inboard Diesels.

I am interested in what hull numbers were built in each Mark (version) of the boat. If anyone has information that contradicts or revises the "Mark" descriptions above, please let me know. I would also like to know how many C25's were delivered with Tall Rig, and in which model years was Tall Rig available.

Larry Charlot
Catalina 25 #5857 "Quiet Time II"
Sacramento, CA

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Response Posted - 07/15/2003 : 10:44:47

Larry,

The factory informed me that Antares (#4849 FK/SR) is an '86 MODEL year that was built toward the end of '85. She has the separate gas tank locker, aluminum window frames, and the fore-and-aft traditional interior. Could the factory provide the "official" list?

J.B. Manley, Antares '86 FK/SR #4849
Grand Lake O' The Cherokees, NE Oklahoma

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OJ
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Response Posted - 07/15/2003 : 11:37:12

Hi Larry,

I among others applaud your efforts here.

Perhaps OJ, a 1981 standard rig, swing keel, hull #2428 is a crossover model regarding the gas tank location; mine is in its own aft port locker in the cockpit. Nor do I have the lazarette vents.
Not sure of your definition of the "L" shaped dinette - mine has the hinged table secured to the bulkhead with benches port and starboard.

Maybe you should consider cutoff points by hull # as opposed to year . . . or use both.

Definitions of the dinette layouts might be helpful as well, if you haven't already thought of that. Hopes this helps make your database more accurate.

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Response Posted - 07/15/2003 : 11:39:40

Larry, "This Side Up" #2262 is a 1981 TRFK - but it has a separate fuel locker and a traditional interior (and the aluminum frame windows). Here's the HIN if it will help you locate the month it was built CTYK2262M81B
Derek

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TRFK#2262"This Side Up"

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Tim Witt
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Response Posted - 07/15/2003 : 21:05:10

Digits four thru eight are the serial number of the vessel so what does the "K" represent?
Could it be a Catalina model designator?
This is my HIN: CTYK5978G990

CTY= Catalina Yachts
K5978= Serial number of hull
G= July mfg. month
9= 1989 mfg. year
90= Model year

I am 5' 10" and barely have full headroom in the main salon but I do have it.
I do have bilge space under the sole and above the wing keel.

The highest hull number that I know of is 6023 and it is a 1990 model.

Does anyone know the last hull number made and it's model year?

I don't know of any 1991 C25's.

Tim Witt
Smith Mountain Lake, VA
1990 C25 Tall/Wing #5978
& Wellcraft 19 w/4.3 V6

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Shawn
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Response Posted - 07/15/2003 : 21:23:55

Larry,
I have a 1980 tr/fk #1960 with a dinette interior. (dinette seats fore and aft, not the "L" shaped seat along the port side). I think this is the dinette interior. ??

Shawn
1980 C25 tr/fk #1960

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atgep
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Response Posted - 07/15/2003 : 22:04:42

I have hull #5775. A fine 88 wing Standard.

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 07/16/2003 : 08:31:25

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
The highest hull number that I know of is 6023 and it is a 1990 model.
Does anyone know the last hull number made and it's model year?
I don't know of any 1991 C25's.
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

I have heard that 5 or 6 more boats were built in '91 to custom orders, after the C-25 had ceased regular production. And, I have seen an ad for a '91 C25 for sale on the east coast somewhere a few months ago, so apparently they do exist, but are extremely rare.

Larry Charlot
Catalina 25 #1205 "Quiet Time"
Sacramento, CA

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John Bixby
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Response Posted - 07/16/2003 : 18:35:53

I HAVE WHAT YOU REFER TO AS A MK I. AS AN ADDED ODDITY MY BOAT WAS MANUFACTURED IN 1977 AND WAS ALSO HULL NUMBER 77.
JOHN ON MS ACHSA

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Response Posted - 07/17/2003 : 14:11:27

Hi Larry, if you are updating your article about how to shop for a Catalina 25, there are some additional issus that I believe might be of interest, among which are; with which hull number did Catalina switch from the old cast iron keel and mild steel keel bolts to lead keels with stainless bolts?

Although it's widely believed that the lead keel/stainless bolts came along in the 1984 model year, Silver Girl my '83 fin keel, tall rig, traditional interior model has a lead keel and stainless keel bolts that look as new as the day I bought her in '83. She was delivered to the dealer in late may of 1983.

She also was equipped with the heavy duty Garhauser (spelling ?) tubular stainless steel motor bracket mounted on the starboard transom, a separate, isolated fuel locker on the port side aft, a fully glassed in "tublike" battery compartment located under the starboard settee, rail mounted nav lights and stainless steel spreader brackets.

The only serial number I can find on my boat is on the metal plate in the cockpit which says simply serial # 3744.

I wonder if there is another place on the boat which has the longer number that has been discussed here.

I hope this helps, Regards Mark

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Response Posted - 07/17/2003 : 15:47:01

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I wonder if there is another place on the boat which has the longer number that has been discussed here. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

It is located on the transom(starboard side) just under the rubrail.

It will most likely be on your boat's registration papers, insurance documents, and/or title.

<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>Don Lucier<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>
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North Star SR/FK

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wind_waker
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Response Posted - 07/22/2003 : 23:40:57

I just purchased a 1982 Catalina 25 with a fixed keel. How do I tell if it is the tall mast version?

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 07/23/2003 : 16:21:27

Larry -

The Factory might be able to get some of this information to you. Especially if you explain your task at hand. Strong resale performance for a particular make is always a good selling point for the guys when trying to pitch a boat right out of the box; this story would definitely contribute to that. It would be in their best interest to help....

Just my thoughts..

I have a 78 swing standard rig with a non-"L" shaped dinette.

Hull number 401
I believe they also changed an option on the lifelines somewhere in this timeframe too. The original pictures from the parts manual show no lifelines or aft stanchion around the cockpit....

http://www.catalina25-250.org/manbro/pictures/pc8.gif

dw

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 07/23/2003 : 16:41:01

Larry, this sounds like a big undertaking! Wow!

osmepneo, hull number 1665, is a 1980 c25, std rig, built as a swing keel, converted by po. She has aluminum windows and the "L" shaped dinette. Outboard is on port side, with the ob storage space in the port locker, not a separate loker on the port side.

Don Peet
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The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 07/23/2003 : 17:14:26

Garry (WindWalker) - if you are at least 5' tall and have to duck whenever you tack - it's a tall rig! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
Seriously tho', the standard rig has a higher boom than the tall and the tall mast is 30' from deck to masthead, the short rig 28' (use a tape tied to the main halyard shackle and hoist it all the way).
Derek

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TRFK#2262"This Side Up"

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ronrryan
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Response Posted - 07/26/2003 : 21:42:50

Just realized I should have responded earlier: sorry! Orion is 1981 srsk #2343, outboard is to port, HAS separate gastank locker, hope this info adds to database, ron in SW FL

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Response Posted - 07/26/2003 : 21:42:59

Just realized I should have responded earlier: sorry! Orion is 1981 srsk #2343, outboard is to port, HAS separate gastank locker, hope this info adds to database, ron in SW FL

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Response Posted - 07/26/2003 : 21:43:40

Just realized I should have responded earlier: sorry! Orion is 1981 srsk #2343, outboard is to port, HAS separate gastank locker, hope this info adds to database, ron in SW FL

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Response Posted - 07/26/2003 : 21:43:52

Just realized I should have responded earlier: sorry! Orion is 1981 srsk #2343, outboard is to port, HAS separate gastank locker, hope this info adds to database, ron in SW FL

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Response Posted - 07/27/2003 : 10:48:29

Interesting, OJ, hull #2428 has the motor bracket to starboard with the cockpit gas locker.

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Response Posted - 08/08/2003 : 00:27:34

Larry,
I too admire your efforts. I also have to thank you. Because of your endeavor, I checked my profile and found a typo on my #. I've had #8525 on my profile when it was supposed to be 4525! Thanks for waking me up! My 1984 Swinger, Tall Rig, Starboard motor mount, separate gas locker, standard inerior and as previously stated #4525

Jim on "Itza Dew Sea"
'84 SK/TR #4525

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MikeM
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Response Posted - 08/08/2003 : 08:11:37

I have hull number 1222, 1979 Fin Keel, w/ the L shaped dinnette. My gas tank is the lazarette but the lazarette is sealed to the cabin.

Mike M
Marblehead, MA
C25 #1212

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RichardG
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Response Posted - 08/08/2003 : 13:10:49

Larry:

This is interesting stuff (to me).

Looks like the most information provided is related to the transition between "Mark I" and "Mark II" which seems to be distinguished by the existance of the separate gas locker or not. The newest Mark I is Don's '80 #1665 (L-int.) and the oldest Mark II is Derek's '81 #2262 (traditional-int.). However, Shawn could narrow the gap by providing gas tank location info on his '80 #1960 (dinette-int.).

It also seems the Mark I's and II's can be distinguished by whether it's an L-shaped or traditional interior, but I'm not sure if the change was made simultaneous with the gas tank location because the separate gas locker was made from the deck mold and the cabin seats were made from the liner mold (I think). Dinette interiors don't help much because they seem to occur in all but the later years (Mark IV), thus were an option all along. It seems logical they could have "effected" the dinette option by changing the choice of liner mold for that boat.

The location of the engine mount further complicates things; however, its location seems irrelavent to Mark I verses Mark II because the change occured after Derek's boat and seems unrelated to choice of deck mold. Ron's '81 #2343 has a port engine and OJ's '81 #2428 has a starboard engine. Servicing the port engine mount on the Mark II must have proved difficult, thus encouraging the change.

Although I have no proof, I'm guessing they put in the starboard battery compartment at the same time they changed the liner mold, thus is directly related to L-shaped verses traditional interior (and possibly Mark I verses Mark II). I wonder if they made this change to the dinette liner mold at the same time?

Another detail is when they removed the cowling vents and moved the cleats to the back corner. While the separate gas locker removed the need to vent the big locker on the Mark I, I seem to remember seeing a Mark II with the vents (and cleats about 1' in front). This event may have been completely separate because both the location of the cleats and the existance of the vents was done later in the production process and unrelated to deck mold choice.

Also probably unrelated to hull, deck or liner mold choice is the transition from cast iron to lead keel (only on fin keel?). Further information on this would be interesting.

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Response Posted - 08/08/2003 : 17:44:03

Interesting comment regarding liners . . . even though the gas locker on OJ (hull #2428) is in the cockpit, the aft end of the lazarette liner still has the lip for a gas can.
The lazarette dimensions in our neighbors 1986 are different than our 1981.

You getting all this down Larry <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> ?

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Response Posted - 08/08/2003 : 19:07:05

Larry,

"At Last" is a 1981 25" tall rig, hull #2381, swing keel, registration # CTYK2381M81. She has a port side motor mount and a port side separate fuel compartment. Her interior is described ( in a Catalina parts catalogue) as the "New Traditional Interior" with seats on both port and starboard, both facing the centerline of the boat. The battery box is molded into the starboard seat. The lifelines attach to the bowrail at its junction with the deck and extend parallel to the deck to their termination on the sternrail. The bow running lights are situated on the freeboard approximately 4" below the deck and the stern light was originally just fore of the port aft cowl 9 (the po installed another stern light on the port stern rail (its ugly)). She has aluminum window frames and a cast iron keel.

I hope that his helps.

Tim asked about the"K" in his number. As you no doubt know, that represents the month of manufacture. I don't have all of those codes at my fingertips, but a good Catalina dealer should be able to assist you with that. If you can't get them elsewhere, I do have those somewhere.

Good luck with your project.

Steve Shetter
"At Last"
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Response Posted - 08/08/2003 : 21:42:47

Hi Larry...

Hull 5032 (1985) is pretty standard for that year, I think--cockpit fuel locker, outboard bracket on starbord, fiberglass-encapsulated lead fin keel with stainless bolts, thru-transom cockpit scuppers, rail-mounted running lights, stainless spreader bases, flush thru-hulls with plastic seacocks, aluminum windows, opening ports in the head, stem fitting with extension down the bow,...

It was a pretty good year... and she's a very good boat! <img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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