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Dan86
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Initially Posted - 07/15/2003 : 22:14:46

Whew, I was fortunate to not get a direct blow from Claudette, am concerned for the other C25 nearer to the landfall. In preping for the storm, I checked out the cleats on the bow, they were approx six inch cleats with only washer backing and really in a tight space to get a substantial backing plate on them. is there a recommended spot to put a cleat on either side, and I am assuming the spot would benefit from additional glass and backing??? I did not have time prior to this storm, but feel that I need to beef that area up prior to the next significant weather. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Dan 86 fin keel / tall rig

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Response Posted - 07/16/2003 : 05:43:54

Dan,<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I checked out the cleats on the bow, they were approx. six inch cleats with only washer backing and really in a tight space to get a substantial backing plate on them. Is there a recommended spot to put a cleat on either side, and I am assuming the spot would benefit from additional glass and backing? ... feel that I need to beef that area ... Any suggestions would be appreciated.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

I assume you read the recent threads in the past week or two on [url="http://www.catalina25-250.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3996"]bow cleat strength[/url], [url="http://www.catalina25-250.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4081"]mooring attachment[/url], and [url="http://www.catalina25-250.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4044"]anchor line sizes[/url], particularly Doug's [url="http://www.sailnet.com/store/buying_guide.cfm?guide_id=1020"]excellent link[/url]. I'd say the stock cleat location (just ahead of the anchor locker and as far outboard as practical) is OK, but that you might want to look into adding some epoxy fiberglass backing, bigger bolts & washers, and maybe the next size larger cleat if you need room for more, or larger, lines.

One easy way to add fiberglass thickness and strength in a tight spot is to lay up the additional fiberglass as a separate part at the work bench, and then glue it in place with epoxy fiberglass mush.

-- Leon Sisson

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jsummerfield
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Response Posted - 07/16/2003 : 13:08:34

The boats in Matagorda Bay must have taken a serious hit. I wonder if any Catalina 25-250 owners in the forum have boats there.

I will report in when I know the status. My boat is in Marina Del Sol off Galveston Bay. I am offshore in the Bay of Campeche on a platform. My wife and son secured the boat. I would have used double lines and tied to both bow cleats and to the mast. I do not think that they did either. They mentioned taping the openings with duct tape. That may work at our distance from the storm but surely not for long.

I did not hear the wind levels at Galveston Bay. A video and still photo link on www.Click2Houston.com includes images that show large waves breaking off Galveston Bay onto the beach houses.

When I last saw radar for the Corpus area the bands were on the Ingleside of the bay. The Rockport area likely saw plenty of weather. Let us know how things were down your way.

John
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John
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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 07/16/2003 : 14:58:58

One significant advantage of having the cleats on the rail is that there is significant reduction in wear on the mooring pennents. If bigger cleats are placed inboard, and the mooring line is run through chucks, the mooring line will be subject to chaffing, which during a storm will increase significantly.

The chaffing is reduced with the cleat on the rail.

Don Peet
c25, 1665, osmepneo, sr/wk
The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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timpky
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Response Posted - 07/16/2003 : 18:11:56

I had to replace one of the cleats on my '78. I purchased the replacement from Catalina Direct. The new cleat was about the same size as the original (about right for single 1/2" line) but came with 5/16 holes rather than the 1/4 on the originals. I think this adds significant strength to the cleat. The original had to be replaced because one of the bolts that secured it had sheared. I would recommend the larger size bolts in addition to whatever backer plate you use.

Tim Peoples
Sarasota, FL
78 Catalina 25 SK Hull #875

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John Bixby
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Response Posted - 07/16/2003 : 18:29:48

WE ARE IN MARINA LANDING IN OFFATS BAYOU, GALVESTON. WE WERE FINE. LOTS OF WIND AND RAIN. TIDAL SURG WAS 4 TO 5 FEET. THE DOCK AT THE MARINA WAS 18 TO 24 INCHES UNDER WATER DUE TO THE SURGE. I USE BOW LINES STERN LINES AND SPRING LINES AND MS ACHSA RODE JUST FINE.
MATAGORDA BAY TOOK A REAL HIT ALONG WITH SURF SIDE. ALL THE SAILBOATS IN OUR MARINA SEEMED TO DO JUST FINE. COULD HAVE BEEN A LOT WORSE.
JOHN ON MS ACHSA.

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Response Posted - 07/16/2003 : 21:56:22

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TIDAL SURG WAS 4 TO 5 FEET.
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I wish we had those surges every day... Our tides normally run 6.8 - 8.5', and the confluence of conditions can make it more. Sunday, I had to almost scrape some boats to get to our slip at dead low, expecting that sudden stopping feeling. <img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>

Seriously, I hope you folks in Texas came out OK--the laws of probability and the demise of El Nino indicate that the NE is due for a hit this year. If it happens, I'll probably have to put her on the hard and call it a season. <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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Shawn
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Response Posted - 07/16/2003 : 22:25:48

Dan,
My location is a bit different than yours, and I also live on a mooring, not in a slip. I have added two bow cleats just aft of the anchor locker, both have an approx. 6" x 10" plywood backing plate with fender washers on each of the four (yes, four) bolts that are easily accessible from the v-berth. I also have a four bolt cleat on each rail approx. amidships set up the same way. There is another cleat forward of the anchor locker that I have gotten a slightly smaller backing plate under. There are the typical cleats just aft of the winches that I have oversized and backed up, as well as two others each side of the cockpit that are backed up with backing plates as well.
Our hurricane set up here on St. John may differ a bit from the typical U.S. set up. We go into a few very well protected bays, and we all anchor very close to each other. Due to limited space and a lot of boats.When you are setting your boat up for a storm, it is very likely that your neighbor will be looking over your shoulder. He or she wants to make sure that you aren't putting their boat at risk due to your laziness or lack of knowledge. If you are not properly set up (eg: #of anchors and # of lines secured to trees or rocks on shore, you can be sure, somebody will let you know). Many of these people are cruisers and live aboards. Everything they own is aboard. Many others are one or two of a kind classics. Things can get a little bit harsh for those not properly prepared, but those of us who are, don't want our boats put at risk by some lazy or cheap boat owner who doesn't realize what can happen during a hurricane.
I guess my point is, if you are in a position where a bad storm can hit you, prepare for it. When preparing, think first of your vessels well being,but also give a lot of thought to the other boats you could harm if you break loose. There is also a point where things become an act of God, but as boat owners we have to be aware of our vessels and the damage they can do if we are negligent.

Shawn
1980 C25 tr/fk #1960

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Response Posted - 07/17/2003 : 08:06:48

I have a double pennant that I loop over the stock, bow cleats. So long as the pull is horizontal, not verically UP, then they should be OK. She's ridden out two hurricanes and several 3 day gales on her swing mooring under this rig. I surely hope all is well with our Gulf Coast compadres<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>

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