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joe keith
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Initially Posted - 07/22/2003 : 22:24:50

Hello list,

We have grown used to using mid-ship cleats to aid docking and for running spring lines. Do others on the list use them and how did you install them on your 25.

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deastburn
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Response Posted - 07/22/2003 : 23:15:26

I have often thought of installing the midship cleats that slide onto the genoa track. I have hesitated to do so for two reasons: 1) interference with the jib sheet car, and 2) it seemed like it might not be that secure. I have a friend with a Nonesuch 30 who uses them all the time. They are, apparently, great for single handers.

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luckystar
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Response Posted - 07/22/2003 : 23:37:23

I have used a genoa car mid ship cleat for 5 years now that came with my boat (found it in the port lazarette) for a spring line on my stbd side. They are a little costly new but it seems to be the best way to install one. I have had it catch my jib sheet from time to time but it's never been much of an inconvenience. I recommend them if you can cough up the boat unit.

Patrick Burnett, Little Rock, AR
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ddlyle
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Response Posted - 07/22/2003 : 23:49:19

What I consider my midship cleats are mounted on the coaming slightly aft of my winches (not on my genoa car tracks) and YES i like and use spring lines to secure my boat. (in addition to the bow and stern lines).

Easy to use spring lines and you sleep better.

Cap'n Dave
Sailing The Blues
1986 C25 sr/sk #5413

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Brooke Willson
Admiral

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Response Posted - 07/23/2003 : 04:09:17

While those genoa track-mounted cleats are great (and pricey), most folks I know use the primary winch for a stern spring line. I did that for years before I changed slips and now use a line on the bow (cleat).

Brooke

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 07/23/2003 : 10:26:51

since mooring osmepneo at a dock I have used 2 bow lines, 1 stern line and a spring line connected to the bow cleat. That means one bow line and the spring line share the same cleat. The two bow lines hold the boat in the center of my space, off the dock and off my neighbors boat, and the stern line and spring line keep the boat off the main dock in front of osmepneo. I've never thought about a center cleat spring line, because my configuration works well for me.

Don Peet
c25, 1665, osmepneo, sr/wk
The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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John Bixby
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Response Posted - 07/23/2003 : 11:43:04

Mine is like Don's. I have bow lines, stern lines and spring lines. The spring lines are attached to the bow cleats. This has two lines on the bow cleats. Have thought about replacing the bow cleats with larger ones. But since Ms Achsa has rode out two tropical storms in
Galveston I feel ok about the arrangement.
John

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jwilliams
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Response Posted - 07/23/2003 : 12:54:51

Hi all,

Hmmm, spring lines and cleats. If I get Joe's need, it is to have a secure attachment for spring lines, right? Should I assume, Joe, you have the type of slip where there is a dock cleat that aligns roughly with the bow and stern cleat on your boat?

If I got all that right, it describes Hey Jude's slip. I wanted spring lines too. Sooo, I got a galvinized 8" dock cleat, pretty cheap at $5 from West Marine, a couple of 6" x 5/16 lag bolts and washers. I screwed the sucker into the dock mid-way between the two existing dock cleats. (We have the kind of dock that is concrete with wood edges.) I run springs from my forward and aft cleats on Hey Jude to this mid-cleat.

No, I didn't ask the marina for permission. If I move I will take it with me.

Jim Williams
Hey Jude C25fk 2958
Half Moon Bay, CA

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cclark
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Response Posted - 07/23/2003 : 14:22:27

I may be missing something here, but I have always used the excess line on the bow and stern lines to attach spring line from the dock cleat to the base of the life line stancion (sp?) Here in the Puget Sound, we don't have the huge storms some of you have to secure for, so my system seems to work. Any one have a good reason why I shouldn't do this?
Chris

"Ora Serrata" '83 SK/TR #3749

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tom
1st Mate

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Response Posted - 07/23/2003 : 19:39:23

I am in Westport, Ct. and I set it up just like you Chris and have no problem. My boat sits nice and straight in the slip and her ass is never sticking out.

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Greg Jackson
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Response Posted - 07/23/2003 : 22:32:23

I have been using midship cleats on the track for 8 years now. At first they were a pain when single handed in high winds because the sheet seemed more likely to catch on a tack when breezy.

I worked with a bandsaw & drum sander to create some smooth blocks that fit under the cleat arms. They are held in by some bungie cords. Now a sheet line will just slide up and over without getting caught. Covers for mid ship cleats are commonly sold in European chandleries, but West Marine and the like have not caught on yet, so I just made my own.

G. Jackson
S.V. Compass Rose

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lcharlot
Master Marine Consultant

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Antigua and Barbuda
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Response Posted - 07/23/2003 : 23:26:55

I recently installed two additional cleats on Quiet Time, but they are on the foredeck a little aft of the anchor locker hatch, rather than midships. What prompted this was that when rafting up with other boats, the two factory installed bow cleats were inadequate to handle all of the mooring lines coming accross from other boats on either side, in addition to the anchor line(s) to the bow anchor(s).
When I want spring lines, I usually secure them to stanchion bases or winches. I have seen the cleats that mount on the genoa track, but they are rather pricey and I haven't yet felt an urgent need to buy a pair.

Larry Charlot
Catalina 25 #1205 "Quiet Time"
Sacramento, CA

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jheard
1st Mate

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Response Posted - 07/24/2003 : 17:49:11

I don't think the C25 is large enough to require midship cleats. I run spring lines from the bow and stern cleats. Sometimes I use a spring line attached to the main winch in tight spots.

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