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JimB517
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Initially Posted - 08/20/2003 :  19:14:44  Show Profile  Visit JimB517's Homepage
The Transpac is going to be covered on ESPN. I was looking for the date and time and I found this great web page about a Catalina 38 (Barking Spider) that won it's class.

http://www.sfsailing.com/tradewinds/transpac_updates.htm

<img src="http://www.indiscipline.org/cat25/pictures/icon.jpg" border=0>Indiscipline 1978 FK #398
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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 08/20/2003 :  23:29:51  Show Profile
Great read! Thanks! Congrats to Frank--two Cats kicked butt--Barking Spider and Wind Dancer.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT
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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 08/21/2003 :  23:54:43  Show Profile
With all due respect.....the thanks is due mostly to Sparkman and Olin Stephens who designed the 38. It is NOT a Butler design. It's one of the few Catalinas that is actually designed to go to sea, IMHO. Yeah, Frank's boys BUILT it......but the reason it's a contender is the design.......

Gary B.
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 08/22/2003 :  09:34:42  Show Profile
So who designed the Catalina 42? Wind Dancer did even better, by a lot--beating a whole bunch of sleds and rock stars--1st in class, 23rd overall, 2nd overall PHRF. IMHO, a few things factor in above the designer: boat and crew preparation, tactics (particularly regarding weather), and luck (regarding weather and equipment). Otherwise, a Catalina 42 wouldn't be beating a bunch of big Js, and various other 50 and 60-footers, and most of the Cal 40s (Dennis Conner's class).

But hey, if one S&S design can make a good name for the rest of our boats, that's a good thing! There were two Catalinas in the race, and both took their classes. The other one, the 42, took a whole lot more!

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 08/22/2003 :  13:48:46  Show Profile
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>So who designed the Catalina 42? Wind Dancer did even better, by a lot--beating a whole bunch of sleds and rock stars--1st in class, 23rd overall, 2nd overall PHRF. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

I don't know for sure, but I checked listings for C-42s on yachtworld.com, and they indicate Frank Butler designed the C-42. The fact that some of the smaller Catalinas are designed for lake sailing and coastal cruising doesn't mean the bigger Catalinas aren't capable world cruisers and long distance racers.

Steve Milby "Captiva Wind" C-25 T/FK #2554
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JimB517
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Response Posted - 08/22/2003 :  17:15:35  Show Profile  Visit JimB517's Homepage
So does anyone know when the race is going to be on ESPN?

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 08/22/2003 :  19:54:27  Show Profile
I'm dreaming and saving of a larger 36 foot or more Catalina for retirement to cruise the carribean. How does one find out which ones are really better for offshore sailing. Even though they are rated class "A" offshore, I don't think that really means much, or does it?
In the meantime, I really love my 25, glad I sold my 22.

Frank Gloss
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JimB517
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Response Posted - 08/25/2003 :  14:34:13  Show Profile  Visit JimB517's Homepage
Just about any boat can sail the Carribean - if you are careful and follow the instructions in Bruce Van Sant's "The thornless path - A gentleman's guide to passages south". He covers how to sail from Florida to Venezuela (which is nominally to windward) in easy steps with no overnight passages. Certainly a well-equipped Catalina 36 can make the grade. This book is at Amazon and West Marine and I recommend it totally. I followed this guide on my trip from Florida to Georgetown (Bahamas).

In my opinion, more important than the hull and rig is your equipment - engine, dinghy, wind/solar power, refridgeration, engine spares, canvas, fresh water, anchors, etc. and preparation (sails, rigging, spares, experience, charts, cruise guides, emergency planning, ...).

You have to be prepared for seas 5 to 8 and winds to 35 knots, plus one frontal passage every week. Routine winter sailing days will be afternoon winds 15 to 20 and seas 4 to 6, air temp 85 F, tradewind conditions.

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 08/25/2003 :  14:46:45  Show Profile
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
So does anyone know when the race is going to be on ESPN?

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Here you go, Jim:
[<img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>] Oops! That was an honest mistake.

J.B. Manley, Antares '85 FK/SR #4849
Grand Lake O' The Cherokees, NE Oklahoma

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 08/25/2003 :  14:54:35  Show Profile
Cute, JB... <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

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