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JimB517
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Initially Posted - 09/14/2003 : 23:44:44

just curious, if I ever wanted to trailer the boat (like to the San Juans) - can the wing keel re-fit be applied to a fin keel boat?

<img src="http://www.indiscipline.org/cat25/pictures/icon.jpg" border=0>Indiscipline 1978 FK #398

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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 09/15/2003 : 10:16:40

Hi Jim,

The easy answer is yes. HOWEVER, the job would not be an easy one. The wing keel retro-fit from Catalina is specifically designed to utilize the swing keel trunk - which the fixed keel model does not have. So, I don't think that I'd advise making the switch.

Besides, the fixed keel C25 actually trailers quite nicely. I doubt that you would notice any difference between a fixed keel model and a wing keel model. Launching both is about the same other than needing more water depth for the fixed keel model - but that only comes in when you get home. In the San Juans and Puget Sound region, there are many marinas equiped with Travelifts that easily and inexpensively will launch and/or retrieve your boat to and from the trailer.

Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 09/16/2003 : 21:16:39

Here is a better ansure. Build the trailer up to haul the fin keel. Its one hell of a lot cheaper and less work. Why would anyone want to ruin a perfect fin keel. It will trailer just as well and rope launch easy. In fact save your money and charter when you get here. If you do make it up be sure to get a crabing permit under 10 bucks and get a crab pot.

Doug&Ruth
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Tacoma Wa.

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 09/16/2003 : 21:23:50

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b2d906b3127cce9f6611a02fe00000001610" border=0>

Doug&Ruth
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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 09/16/2003 : 22:15:14

Arlyn, time to start a new web page: Meanest Forum Post

and Doug gets the first nomination. <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

J.B. Manley
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JimB517
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Response Posted - 09/17/2003 : 00:00:00

I was just wondering if the wing would bolt right up to the fin keel bolt holes. It would sure be nice to have 2 feet less draft, sail just as well, and trailer easier. Since it's not that easy, I suppose it's not a good idea.

The idea of chartering is interesting. I suppose $4000+ for a trailer and the same for the wing job would rent a nice Catalina 30 for a couple of months at least. Of course there is something special about going in your onw vessel.

I suppose I could always get a torch and cut 2 feet off the cast iron fin, turn it sideways, and weld it back on!

<img src="http://www.indiscipline.org/cat25/pictures/icon.jpg" border=0>Indiscipline 1978 FK #398

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 09/17/2003 : 07:39:27

While cruising the North Channel this summer... listened to radio chatter between a gentlemen and the rental provider. He was unhappy about both outboards on the dinghys with the two boats they had rented.

At one point he stated, "For just under $12 thousand, I think Y'all could do better than motors that won't run."

It would be interesting to know how long they were rented.

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224
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[url="http://www.stewartfam.net/arlyn/"]Arlyn's C250 Mods n Cruising Stories[/url]

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 09/17/2003 : 12:48:50

Mean ? I dont think so. Common sense is more like it. For the amount of time, money, and labor it would take to convert you could almost purchase another boat. Mod to the trailer is a good idea. Its going to tow almost the same. Weight almost the same. Sailing the fin in the San Juans ? Its a wash. Why throw good money down the drain. I would mod the trailer and with what I saved get a good radar unit. You might need it in the Juans when the fog sets in late June to September. Leasing or chartering is not all that bad either. No fuss or hastle of trailering from San Diego. Better travel time less fuel expense and or maintenance and when your done and want to visit another destination you dont have to drag the boat along. Hey its just a thought another point of view. Not meant to be mean.

Doug&Ruth
Triska (Alberg 29)
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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 09/17/2003 : 12:57:53

Oops. Sorry, Doug. I was referring to the delicious picture of delectable crab that can't be had in Tulsa. Which just happened to get posted as I was contemplating dinner and the realization that salad was all that I had in the house. <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

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J.B. Manley
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JimB517
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Response Posted - 09/17/2003 : 14:49:02

I never took Douglas comments as being mean spirited.

<img src="http://www.indiscipline.org/cat25/pictures/icon.jpg" border=0>Indiscipline 1978 FK #398

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 09/17/2003 : 14:56:44

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
I never took Douglas comments as being mean spirited.
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<img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle> Neither did I. Badly developed, or just plain bad, joke on my part. Sorry.

J.B. Manley
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/17/2003 : 15:25:12

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Badly developed, or just plain bad, joke on my part. Sorry.
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
Now you know how it feels, JB... <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 09/17/2003 : 15:33:10

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Now you know how it feels, JB... <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Yep. Lesson learned. <img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle>

J.B. Manley
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Antares '85 FK/SR #4849
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Douglas
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Response Posted - 09/17/2003 : 19:34:42

OHHHH I see. Well SH-- happens right. <img src="http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~zbwang/images/200209_crabdinner/IMG_0025.JPG" border=0>

Doug&Ruth
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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 09/17/2003 : 20:32:20

Oh, touché! Yum, when do we eat? <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

J.B. Manley
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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 09/17/2003 : 20:56:18

JB... don't feel too awful bad about missin' out on those particular crabs... they be red rock crabs... (Cancer productus).

Not a lotta meat in those puppies, but still better than no crab at all while you're waiting for the Dungeness season.

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 09/18/2003 : 12:21:19

Yep Red rock they are. But the claws were soooo big it was worth it. Less meat in the body and harder to get out but your right better than no crab at all. South Sound is mostly all red rock. We did go to the San Juans this year and crabing there was great. Most of the dunginess keepers were 9" or better and it only took 1/2 hour to limit out. We had so much crab we couldn't eat it all. Bagged it iced it and brought it home for the kids.<img src="http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/4db31d91/bc/San+Juan+Trip+03/San+Juan+Trip+03+162.jpg?bcw.da_ACyzFwH3c" border=0>

Doug&Ruth
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