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5857 is a Tall Rig (surprise, surprise!)

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lcharlot
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Initially Posted - 09/27/2003 : 17:50:09

I am in process of converting my new boat to a Huntington Rig for easier, safer single-handed mast raising, and while measuring the upper shrouds, was getting numbers that didn't match the rigging chart I had (from my '79SK #1205). I just took a measurement of the overall mast length, and it's 30', not 28', so my new boat turns out to be a tall rig! There was nothing in the ad or any of the paperwork from the broker saying this boat was a tall rig... I have heard that the tall rig wing keels are quite tender, and that the boom is a "head banger", being mounted lower than in the standard rig. Any comments?

Larry Charlot
Catalina 25WK Mk. IV #5857 "Quiet Time"
Folsom Lake, CA

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 09/27/2003 : 20:51:04

"I have heard that the tall rig wing keels are quite tender, and that the boom is a "head banger", being mounted lower than in the standard rig. Any comments?"

Sure.. I'll take it off your hands for say... $50 or so ! (grins)...

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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GregOnC25
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Response Posted - 09/27/2003 : 21:26:04

Larry...congrats on your "new" boat. I had the same tall rig surprise when I recently bought my '87/WK (if you recall I emailed you for advice before my purchase...THANKS). What with hurricanes, tornados, and other calamities here on the east coast I have not had much sailing time, so cannot comment on boat handling yet. While my boat has a dodger, I am very interested in getting bimini this winter, so I have been following threads on this topic. Sounds like biminis on TR require some extra thought. Let me know if you are planning the same and if you find any good solutions to bimini/headroom dilema.
Greg

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Steve Kostanich
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Response Posted - 09/27/2003 : 22:18:28

Icharlot,
I can't comment on the stability of a TR wing keel, but you are correct on the lower boom. The mast is 2' taller than a standard, and the boom is set one foot lower than standard to gain a 3' increase in the mainsail luff length. If you are tall, watch your noggin or bad things might happen to you!!!

Steve Kostanich C-25 1119, Equinox sr/sk

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matsche
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Response Posted - 09/28/2003 : 08:56:35

The tall rigs might be considered more tender if you leave full sail up in 15+ knot winds. The trick is to reef early. You'll appreciate your tall rig more in low wind conditions as your scooting past the standard rigs. You've got about 10% more sail area.

The biggest problem with the tall rigs is fitting a bimini with the low boom. I've read some good suggestions on this site on how to deal with it. The best seems to be to simply reef and raise the boom when using your bimini to give you more head room.

It's all a trade off.

John Matsche 1985 TR/FK #5171

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mtiffee
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Response Posted - 09/28/2003 : 14:30:14

Me too! The PO of my boat said it was a standard rig, but when i saw other C25's out sailing something just looked different. I'm 6'3 and never had any head bangs or thought the low boom was an issue so I always assumed standard. But upon further review from Catalina and comparing boats in the marina.. I too have a tall rig (which is for sale by the way!!)

Mike
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/28/2003 : 17:53:25

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Me too! The PO of my boat said it was a standard rig, but when i saw other C25's out sailing something just looked different. I'm 6'3 and never had any head bangs or thought the low boom was an issue so I always assumed standard. But upon further review from Catalina and comparing boats in the marina.. I too have a tall rig (which is for sale by the way!!)

Mike
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You should post copious pictures, I think the last ones were special. We had one show up at our club and it has an inboard, cool.

<img src="http://members.cox.net/fhopper/Catalina25/sigbow.jpg" border=0>Frank and Martha in Wichita KS. Lake Cheney

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mtiffee
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Response Posted - 09/28/2003 : 19:16:57

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Me too! The PO of my boat said it was a standard rig, but when i saw other C25's out sailing something just looked different. I'm 6'3 and never had any head bangs or thought the low boom was an issue so I always assumed standard. But upon further review from Catalina and comparing boats in the marina.. I too have a tall rig (which is for sale by the way!!)

Mike
'89 TR/WK "Freelancer"
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You should post copious pictures, I think the last ones were special. We had one show up at our club and it has an inboard, cool.
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I've had pics up for a while now.
http://www.catalina25.com/pics/ I have an ad over in the classified area. Just bought a J/24.

Mike
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/28/2003 : 22:24:31

I've had pics up for a while now.
http://www.catalina25.com/pics/ I have an ad over in the classified area. Just bought a J/24.
Mike
'89 TR/WK "Freelancer"
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I remember now, you have a really nice boat. We have had to cancel club races the last several weeks because of high winds, (its the committee boat that we worry about). I saw a shirt you would like. "Friends don't let friends race PHRF" Its probably an old joke but I been gone a long time. Have you ever rocked a J out of the slips to leave the motor on the dock. It looks cool when people do it. I could do it with my Merit but ... well let's say that I doubt any Catalina has ever moved on its keel.

<img src="http://members.cox.net/fhopper/Catalina25/sigbow.jpg" border=0>Frank and Martha in Wichita KS. Lake Cheney

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mtiffee
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Response Posted - 09/29/2003 : 08:41:27

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Have you ever rocked a J out of the slips to leave the motor on the dock. It looks cool when people do it. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

I've sailed one out before but not rocked. Just tied bow to dock and let the boat windvane. When you're ready, backwind the jib and off you go.

In J/24 class racing, you must have a motor on board.

Mike
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wupdike
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Response Posted - 09/29/2003 : 21:47:17

Hull 5909 is TR also. Sailing on the Chesapeake, I haven't found it tender. Doesn't point well for me and my sails are in good condition. 50 deg. is about the best I can do. However, the wing keel flys downwind. It's all a tradeoff.

The boat came with a stock bimini. Aluminium frame and all. The only problem is when sailing close. The boom is too low. I drop the Bim in such conditions or sail off the wind.

I've heard of people mounting the boom higher or adding a mast track attachment. Of course, sails have to be adjusted. It's all a matter of preference. I prefer to not buy a new mainsail.

Otherwise, I love the boat. I've been at anchor in a 50-60mph blow. Scarey, but she was rather steady. Good luck and happy sailing with yours.

GrayCruiser

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