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kenn
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Initially Posted - 11/14/2003 : 00:22:17

I posted a message the other day looking for a comparison between the Cat 250 and the hunter 260. I am trying to decide between the two. Well, in all fairness to Hunter I also posted a similiar message on their web site to try and get their opinions on a comparison, so far I have had 25 people read the message but no responses. You guys have really been helpful in providing info to me and this looks like a site where there is a lot of support. I think this says something about Catalina owners. Keep up the good work. There are a lot of novices like myslf out there who appreciate and value the opinions of other sailors who are willing to help out when they can. Will keep you posted on my decision. Thanks again. Ken & Cheri out of Tucson.

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 11/15/2003 : 00:36:55

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">so far I have had 25 people read the message but no responses.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

With friends like that who needs people that don't care.....I think we rest our case, and appreciate your acknowledgement. BTW, the services this forum provides are for as long as you own your boat....

Oscar, Fishermans Wharf, San Fransisco, making BU's (well, taking a break for the moment

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 11/15/2003 : 13:12:19

IMHO stuff...

I sure wouldn't eliminate a C25 Wing Keel from your considerations. I think the more traditional cabin layout is better for 'cruising' than the 250's 'open' design which seems to be geared toward daysailing with groups of people.

If a week or two on the Sea of Cortez is in your plans, I'd certainly look over a C25 before I'd buy anything else.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 11/16/2003 : 20:33:36

I do not know why this resource isn't referred to more often.
http://www.texassailor.com/photo9.htm

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 11/17/2003 09:58:50

Oscar
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Response Posted - 11/16/2003 : 21:39:56

I do blieve the current (after hull number 650 or close thereto) water ballast is coming with the inboard shrouds.

Oscar
250WB#618 Lady Kay on the Chesapeake

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 11/17/2003 : 00:53:08

Why the need to view one of these as better than the other? The hammering has gone on now for some time and it has me wondering what is up? They are two different boats designed for two different needs.

Those of us who own them realize this... Is there a need for non-owners to qualify one as better than the other? Why?

Yes, the wing keel is outfitted differently than the water ballast... and I'm glad for that. I don't want the additional setup time of sorting out lines and running them thru mast base turning blocks, deck organizers and clutches every time I trailer. I am quite comfortable doing sail management from on the coach roof and I've done it in some very nasty conditions and never felt trepidation about it.

Yes, the wing keel has 9 inches more headroom... my brother in law who is 6'3" has cruised with me for 8-10 days every summer now for the past 6 years. He has no problem dealing with the head room. Once it is restricted to sitting room... it really makes little difference.

He and I cruised several times on a borrowed C30 prior to the C250 and we've had immeasurably more fun on the c250.. but thats mostly because its not borrowed and I feel more comfortable with it... the point is that the c250 water ballast is not limiting.

Wing keel owners pay for the extra hardware they get... does anyone think its free? And, I'm free to put it on my water ballast if I want it.

If I slipped or moored... I'd choose the wing or a different boat... but my boat lives on the trailer. I haul it a long distance every season, sometimes twice a year. At my destination in Michigan, I'd have to rent a mobile crane to get a wing launched. At my local corp lake, I'd endure the wrath of a great many bass fisherman if I tied the ramp up dealing with rope launching.

I've said this before...and will hammer it again... one of the prime factors in characterizing performance is viewing the SD numbers... The wing is down there with the tall rig fin keel C25 that Steve and Derek race but the water ballast way up in the 19s.

I find the perspective in viewing these different boats as one needing to be better than the other quite narrow and intolerant. Whats up?

One of the nice things about cruising with the Trailer/Sailor group last summer was meeting people like Mike and Shirley and their two girls Amelia and Elisa... they sail a Mac 26 they had hauled to the North Channel from near Toronto. They sent mail not long ago describing their second two week cruise where they trailered to near Nova Scotia to a Canadian National Park Wilderness. I wouldn't think of disparaging the boat that is supplying this good family a great deal of sailing and vacationing pleasure.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 11/17/2003 : 06:49:44

OK, holster your guns, guys... As Gerry Douglas says, "Each model has its own advantages."

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 11/17/2003 : 08:41:06

Arlyn.......want to go sailing?

To some extent you're right. The discussion as to the advantages of our boats over "H" or "McG" boats is probably most amusing to the, say, Pacific Seacraft crowd. In the end it's being out there and doing it that counts more than what you're doing it on. There are many boats better built and prettier than ours that never get to go out of their slips.

Having said that, I still walk by all three of them at boat shows and say to myself: "Self, you made the right choice." Faith in ones vessel is part of seaworthiness and good seamanship.

Oscar
250WB#618 Lady Kay on the Chesapeake

Edited by - Oscar on 11/17/2003 08:50:43

Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 11/17/2003 : 09:32:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">They are two different boats designed for two different needs<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I agree! I've been saying this since I became a member of this forum.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> Is there a need for non-owners to qualify one as better than the other?
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I agree even more with that statement!

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