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Arlyn Stewart
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Initially Posted - 11/14/2003 : 13:50:05

I recently saw a figure of 11 inches noted as the difference in the headroom for the centerboard and water ballast. The published difference is 9 inches but of course we know that Catalina can't be trusted with numbers.

So, lets here what it really is. As a standard, lets take measurements between the liner and the cabin sole at the hinge point of the pop top.

We know in the past for example that part of the distance results from the ballast tank... which I think I read Catalina suggesting was 5 inches. The other 4 I guess would be from the greater freeboard of the wing keel.

How about latest 2004 model water ballast as they are supposed to use the same deck as the wing? Does that drop the difference to 5 inches?

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 11/14/2003 : 16:47:47

The early water ballast have 4' 6" which is 2" less than Catalina specs, course they could be measuring in a different place.

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 11/14/2003 : 17:45:55

The 2004 WK model measured 5'5" using the location you suggested.
Here are a couple of shots of the 2004 with one a major difference.

An idea for the whatever on the rear pulpit rail. A good place to hook the kill switch lanyard.

Note the new aftstay chainplate location. It sure makes it easy to get around the wheel without the chance of hanging yourself. The dealer said they beefed up the attachment points for the aft pulpit seats. I do not know how they are attached on the earlier models, but on the 2004 there is a 4x4 plate were it bolts to the stern instead of just washers like the rest of the stuff attached to the boat. The new chainplate location does shorten the backstay, as a matter of fact, my dealer was worried that they might have sent us the ones that go to the chainplates on the stern.
I don't think this would be to tough a mod if you can find a good stainless welder. Four 1/8" thick 4"x4" aluminum backing plates. You just keep the same spreader and shorten the single cable from the masthead. Which appears to be what Catalina has done since I have to stand on the cockpit seats to reach the junction of the three rather than the floor of the cockpit in the 2003 model I looked at before we ordered Penny II.

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Response Posted - 11/16/2003 : 12:31:18

Odd, I attended the St Pete Sail Expo last weekend and took a look at the newest 250. It was a water ballast model, but the back stay was changed from a split to a single stay which is off centered and connected to the floor in front of the swim ladder. I was told this would not interfere with boarding from the swim ladder...
Frog, it is odd to see your models stay connection points. Wonder if the tiller vs wheel (I saw a tiller model) and water ballast vs wing is the factor into the new back stay arrangement.

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Response Posted - 11/16/2003 : 15:05:14

It's too bad that Catalina doesn't post on the Forum the changes that are made and the logic for the change. My boat was delivered as a 2004 (#727) and the backstay attaches on the stern...Jerry's first 2004 (that was damaged in transport) also had the stern attachments, and the replacement has the location changed...so somewhere between #734 and #743 a change was made...I checked with the owner of #728 a WB, and his backstay attaches on the stern...so I'm not so sure it is a difference between the WK and the WB...I wonder what hull # the single backstay example was, and if Jerry has a one of, or few of, a kind?

Don't expect to hear about the "spider crack" issue, and some newly found damage from the transport, until early December

...when I get back from vacation

...but it is developing into an interesting situation.

Suzie, Great idea on the Pop Top!!!

Dan #727

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 11/16/2003 : 15:26:09

Dan, We had no doubts that it was going to be interesting...

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 11/16/2003 : 20:36:02

4'5-1/2" to the cabin top just ahead of the pop top....(I have carpet....

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4'8-1/2" to the top itself.

Back stays on the hull (stern)

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">a single stay which is off centered and connected to the floor in front of the swim ladder<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

It wasn't broke, why fix it?

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">it is developing into an interesting situation<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Yes it will. My experience is you will get what you deserve, or close there to.....but it's kind of like strapping in one of those $5000.- white leather seats on the back of an off shore fishing boat and landing a large fish......Put everyone involved in speed dial....now. Everytime you're in the car, call them.

Oscar
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Response Posted - 11/16/2003 : 21:11:05

Oscar: Thanks for words, going on vacation with my friend who is a retired attorney, former Mid-Shipsman/F-4B pilot, and I'm sure we will get around to talking about Catalina boats...will take your advice when I get home, but I do expect a call from Kent Nelson on 12/5, with a new delivery date

I will work on getting them onto the speed-dial...Dan #727

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Response Posted - 11/16/2003 : 21:23:47

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">F-4B pilot<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Lot of my fellow pilots have landed planes on boats at night.....me I don't believe in mixing business with pleasure

Oscar
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Response Posted - 11/16/2003 : 21:29:43

He did land his plane on a boat before, somewhere very West of even Hawaii, during the 60's...this trip will be all pleasure, we are sailing and letting someone else do the flying

Dan#727

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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 11/16/2003 : 21:35:08

My 2000wk measurement between the liner and the cabin sole 5'3".

The only place I get 5’5” is to the bottom of the slider which of course slides on top of the liner.

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 11/16/2003 : 21:45:26

Well, lets do the math......5'3"-4'6"=9" Looks like Catalina had it right....

Oscar
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Edited by - Oscar on 11/16/2003 21:46:42

frog0911
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Response Posted - 11/16/2003 : 23:51:26

Whatever I received I sure like it better than the the backstays attached to the stern. Sure a lot easier on the neck.
If I measure to the top of the pop top it is 5'71/2" on the 2004. Maybe a another little change in the top configuration also.

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Response Posted - 11/17/2003 : 00:29:22

Dan, enjoy your vacation, I'm sure things with the boat will work out. UGH frustrating indeed

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 11/17/2003 : 18:30:45

Suzie, just noticed your hull #.....

Oscar
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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 11/17/2003 : 19:05:50

Something else I noticed

Oscar #618 outboard stays

Suzie #619 inboard stays like the wing keel

I guess that answers that question.

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 11/17/2003 : 20:58:56

Suzie, I'm curious, would you measure your headroom between the liner and the floor just inside the hinge line to the pop top? Heard that both models would now use the wing keel deck. And... I think the wing keel deck had about 4 inches of hight advantage to the previous water ballast deck... so it may be that your boat has the same deck as the wing... and may have more headroom than the previous water ballast.

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Response Posted - 11/19/2003 : 13:52:29

Yes Catalina is using the same deck mold for the catalina 250s. The waterballasted boat moved the shrouds inboard (like the wing keel) and went to self-tailing winches.

The decks are the same...the wing keel hull mold has more freeboard
We had both 250's at the St. Pete and Miami show 2 years. And with both boats side by side you can see the difference

Paul Silvernail
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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 11/19/2003 : 13:59:42

Thanks Paul... that answers my question... the headroom difference likely remained at the 9 inches.

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sailgal
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Response Posted - 11/19/2003 : 16:26:22

Hi Paul! (Pauls my Catalina dealer, Great guy, fair and very honest) Hope you did well at the expo!!

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