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Sunshine Daydream
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Initially Posted - 12/13/2003 : 20:08:02

I am rebedding my cabin top winches and plan on adding triple rope clutches this winter also. My winches are pretty far forward on the cabin top since the old jam cleat was aft of the winch. Since the clutch needs to go forward of the winch (right?), should I move the winch aft so I can reach the clutch easier? If someone that has this set up can give me some approximate measurements, it would be appreciated. Without going out and looking, I would guess that my winches are 12-14 inches forward on the cabin top right now which puts the rope clutch out of easy reach from the cockpit.

Scott & Kelly Larson
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'80 C25 SR / SK

Edited by - Sunshine Daydream on 12/13/2003 20:11:23

Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 12/13/2003 : 23:20:16

Hi Scott,

I don't have measurements, and Shutterfly seems to have discontinued allowing access to URLS. So...my cabin top winches are approximately 1/2" outboard of the pop top, and are centered fore and aft in the space between the aft most end of the handrails and the aft most end of the cabin top. My triple line clutches are centered between the pop top and the handrails, and are located fore and aft in alignment with the aft most handhold of the handrails. Hope that helps.

I was able to grab the URL from a previous post, so here's the photo.

Edited by - Sea Trac on 12/13/2003 23:29:01

Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/14/2003 : 10:59:30

I just did this. If you need to remove old hardware to access the best possition for your winch then do it. Plugging holes on our old boats should be second nature. The pop-top and handrail predetermine the area you have to choose from. Do not crowd the pop-top, you will chip it when closing it, there is a lot of lateral slop in those things. The thing most people forget is the lead from the clutches to the winch needs to be as fair as possible, you do not want the lines dragging on the side of the clutch. Remember the line leads to the RIGHT side of the barrel, not the center. Check below to see where your bolts will come through and use acorns. I marked the first hole and then set the winch base down and put the first bolt through, I drilled one hole at a time and dropped a bolt through each time. There is a picture of marginal help here.
http://homepage.mac.com/fhopper/PhotoAlbum31.html
I do not have the clutches mounted in the picture but you can see where the winch is, I maybe should have put it further to the left!

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/24/2003 : 08:08:34

You can see in this picture the location of the Port side winch.

If I were to do it again, I would probably move the clutches back a bit. Start at your turning blocks, and lead your lines aft to find the clutch location. Then install your winches based on Franks comment above. Middle of the clutch lines up with right side of winch.

I was told that the load on these items didn't require backing, but I used 1/2" oak, stained and finished to match the teak.

dw

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/24/2003 : 08:09:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Antares
 Hi Scott,

I don't have measurements, and Shutterfly seems to have discontinued allowing access to URLS. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

JB - I still seem to be okay with the URL's at shutterfly???

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/24/2003 : 09:12:53

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 If I were to do it again, I would probably move the clutches back a bit. Start at your turning blocks, and lead your lines aft to find the clutch location. dw
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If by back you mean aft, then I would not agree. Yours look to be as close to the winch as possible. The closer the clutches are to the winch the more "acute" the angle of the lead. I do agree that the long reach with a winch in the arm pit is a bit much so somewhere inbetween too long and too short is best.

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 12/24/2003 09:13:38

Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/24/2003 : 10:58:10

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If by back you mean aft, then I would not agree. [/quote]

Probably just aft to about the point where the pole lift line is tied onto the rail. I agree you can't put them too close....

I did notice that JB's looks a bit closer???

dw

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 12/24/2003 : 11:52:31

Sunshine Daydream,<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">... cabin top winches and plan on adding triple rope clutches ... someone that has this set up can give me some approximate measurements ...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">On my 1979 C-25 I've added Spinlock XAS triple clutches on both sides, Lewmar #7 halyard winch to port and second level of lines to small Harken camcleats with integral fairleads to stbd. Turning blocks are various size and brand ball bearing bullets shackled to 8-hole SS mast base plate under Catalina late model SS tabernacle. Deck organizers are both 3-axis, 2-level (6-line) small Harkens. I've used this setup for maybe 1,000nm and it seems to work well.

Here are some of my approx. location dimensions.

First of all, both 7-loop cabintop handrails have been relocated about 13" forward (now 29" fwd. of aft cabin bulkhead) and about 1-1/2" outboard (to the edge of the nonskid) so as to increase the space available for all this stuff. I mention this because the original handrail location may vary with model year.

Organizers are just aft of chainplate bulkhead, angled so that fore & aft run of 3/8" lines just clear each other in the narrow routing channel between poptop and handrails. The center of the winch is about 3" in from the port edge of the coach roof, and about 3-1/2" forward of the aft edge (right on top of galley light). The aft edge of the clutches is about 12-1/2" forward of the winch center. Clutches are as far inboard as practical without the poptop hitting them. The stbd. side triple clutches are in about the same relative location. The second level control line camcleats are mounted atop a bridge-like teak pedestal straddling the lower lines with about a 3" gap between it and the forward edge of the clutch assembly. This gap provides hand clearance when operating the clutches.

One of these days, I'll try to get some decent photos of this setup digitized.

Let me know if you need more info.

-- Leon Sisson

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 12/24/2003 : 13:30:11

Make sure your clutches are far enough away to clear the swing of the winch handle.

That's what I used as a guide for positioning mine. Didn't want a collision between the winch handle and the clutch levers when they were in the released (up) position. (Garhauer clutches)

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Ed Montague
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Response Posted - 12/24/2003 : 14:30:33

This is what mine look like and have worked well for 5 years. Don't put the Clutch too far forward or it will difficult to reach comfortably. I have the same set up on the starboard side.

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