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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Initially Posted - 01/13/2004 : 22:36:12

I took my sails to a local sailmaker for cleaning and inspection, and was told the Dacron UV strip on the furling 130 genny had deteriorated to the point that it'll disintegrate this summer, after six years of seasonal use. They'll put a new strip on the sail for $525

, but agreed that was a lot compared to a new sail. The actual sail seems to be fine... Ulman wants $770 for a new furling 135.

Has anyone had the UV strip replaced for substantially less than that? What do you think of six seasons of service from a roller genny? I might just let it get ugly this summer--I don't need the expense at the same time I'm replacing the standing rigging.

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Now on Eastern 27 Sarge (but still sailing) and posting as "Stinkpotter".

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Mark Loyacano
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Response Posted - 01/13/2004 : 22:47:15

...seems a little overpriced. I would get another quote or two from other sources.

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 01/13/2004 : 23:23:08

Dave,

Replacing a roller furling UV strip for $525 sounds high to me, right off the top of my head. I'd be shopping around.

-- Leon Sisson

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 01/14/2004 : 00:01:37

A six year old sail should be replaced before it's ten so I would not do anything and just furl it with out protection. I believe CD has a "sock" that they like better than the UV edge because it does not distort the sail shape while sailing. You might want to check out that idea.
As I have mentioned before, I am very pleased with a J-24 150 that I fly as a 135. Mine was free and I am sure there are many out there for very little. If you can replace your 135 with J sails every few years for a song it could become a habit!

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 01/14/2004 : 00:06:21

Are you a tall rig? My new 135 roller genny from Ulman Ventura was under $600. No sail numbers, no spreader patches, no windows, no luff foam, but with telltails and 5.5 oz dacron. He used my old furling wire (older Schaffer). I have pacific blue sunbrella UV fabric. Included a nice sailo bag.

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 01/14/2004 : 06:48:51

Dave, For the difference, (770-525) I'd go for the new sail. Maybe your local guy is trying to encourage you to do that

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frich
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Response Posted - 01/14/2004 : 08:04:49

Dave

I have the same problem w/ a 150 Genny. Sailcare quoted me around $220

Frank Rich
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tinob
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Response Posted - 01/14/2004 : 08:51:34

Dave I replaced the sunbrella shield on an old furler 150 just to color coordinate all the canvas. Had it done in Huntington for $475. My new furler 150 with foam luff and sunbrella shield from Ulman cost about $200 bucks more than the cost of replacing the shield on the old sail.

I'd let it go. When it comes undone or more boat bucks are available it'll be time enough.

The advice to go with the uv-sock was something I toyed with before buying the new 150 but the old dog resisted the new trick. Perhaps next time.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 01/14/2004 : 11:02:31

The downside on the sock is that it needs a halyard. My jib halyard is holding the roller swivel up, and I don't have chute gear. The Ulman sail sounds like a lot better use of the dough, even if I can get a somewhat better deal on the repair. I suspect I'll let the thing broil a little more this summer and replace it next year.

Any opinions on Sunbrella vs. the UV Dacron that's on my sail? CD warns that Sunbrella won't stretch with the sail, and thus will cause it to "pocket".

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 01/14/2004 11:04:56

Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 01/14/2004 : 12:42:52

Any opinions on Sunbrella vs. the UV Dacron that's on my sail? CD warns that Sunbrella won't stretch with the sail, and thus will cause it to "pocket". - Dave

Hi Dave,

I don't have a furler ... BUT, when Steve Steakley had a Sunbrella strip added to the furler on his Catalina 250, he hated it because of its effect on the efficiency of his headsail. I don't know if the UV Dacron is any better, but maybe Steve will see this thread and give you his opinion. If he doesn't, maybe it would be worth an email to Steve see if he can help.

'Just a thought ... good luck with the repair.

(edited for spelling)

Edited by - Buzz Maring on 01/14/2004 12:44:05

Oscar
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Response Posted - 01/14/2004 : 21:57:01

As Lady Kay's mast spends non-sailing time horizontal, I go through the trouble of taking the jib off when we haul out. Its a little more work, but I know it would get beat up otherwise.(I have minimized the extra work by using copious amounts of snap shackles and a luff tensioning tackle....it all only takes a few minutes...) Now I expect to get a lot of life out of the jib.....And, with no strip it looks better too.....(esthetics and sail shape...)

So, one suggestion is to keep on trucking untill the UV strip fails, then remove it and take the jib off when not in use so as to extend its time...

Also, I'm trying to think where.....buit somewhere I saw a DIY kit and it put the strip on using an adhesive instead of a sewing machine......if I come across it again I'll let you know. BTW, you could of course take the old one off and use it as a pattern, then locate someone with a super duper sail sewing machine...heck if you're going to replace the thing anyway.....

The thought had crossed my mind that the sailmaker errs on the side of caution to protect you, and his income....

Kind of like letting the same guy who is going to do any repairs to your car do the state inspection. While it's in his shop he might as well fix something and make a few bucks.....

(I know, call me a cynic.....

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Oscar

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 01/14/2004 : 23:40:21

I had a quote of just over 700 for my slightly larger head sail. I decided to go with a sock pulled up by my spin halyard.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 01/15/2004 : 12:17:21

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Oscar
 ...The thought had crossed my mind that the sailmaker errs on the side of caution to protect you, and his income....

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Oscar
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OK, Oscar... You're a cynic.

Seriously, Hathaway Rieser Raymond sailmakers/riggers have done well for me in the past, making minor repairs to the sails each year for just a few extra pennies above the washing fees. They actually suggested that a new OEM sail might be a better deal for me.

Not being a racer like Steve, I'm not too afraid of a little turbulence from a Sunbrella strip if the Sunbrella will last substantially longer than the treated Dacron. Bending the sail on and off seems counter to the idea of a furler. I want to be able to get on the boat and sail after work on any given weekday. Occasionally, the genny is the only sail I use, simply because it's so easy.

Oh well, it's nothing a few boat units won't take care of...

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cathluk
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Response Posted - 01/15/2004 : 16:39:27

Our 110 Jib (no sunbrella cover) is 5 years old and is already so out of shape its sad plus the fabric on the edges are wearing quite dramatically. We're facing the same types quotes I'd go for the new sail.

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