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Ben
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Initially Posted - 02/18/2004 : 20:59:58

Hi All, I posted the text below in the member feedback section, but was concerned it wouldn't get as many reads there, so I'm re-posting it here.

I have recently volunteered to be the newsletter editor for my local sailing club, www.alumcreeksailing.com We put out 10 newsletters every year, ranging in size from 10 to 12 pages each, pretty considerable for a 70 member club in my humble opinion. The articles are contributions from the officers and general membership. At times, it is evident that I am going to be a quarter page short here and there.

What I am getting at is, may I use some of the Tech Tips from this association's website in the newsletter from time to time? Many of the tips and mods are applicable to any sailboat, and many of them are pure genius. I know my club would benefit from them. However, I understand how some folks may take exception if I simply used them without asking, and certainly with proper attribution. I would indicate that the tech tip is made possible by the Catalina 25/250 National Association.

Thank you all. If anyone is interested in the newsletter, let me know and I'll email you a copy.

Ben
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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 02/18/2004 : 21:07:06

Ben, I've asked the officers and staff for feedback on your question and will get back to you as soon as they have responded to me.

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Ben
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Response Posted - 02/18/2004 : 21:29:35

Thanks Don.

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DougA
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Response Posted - 02/18/2004 : 21:37:15

Ben, You may want to go back and edit your first post and remove the . after .com in the URL or at least add a space. We use pictures to fill in extra spaces in our newsletter

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Ben
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Response Posted - 02/18/2004 : 21:40:21

Thanks Doug on the heads-up about the link. Regarding pictures as filler, I'd much prefer to have valuable content than simply posting pictures, although I have had to do that a little bit so far.

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 02/19/2004 : 08:57:06

Hi Ben,

Your site really brings back memories. I fished all the time at Alum Creek.

There was a blue 1976 Catalina 22 for sale..around 1992..Sherry and I wanted to buy the boat but we were not able to get the slip it was in at the Alum Creek State Park Marina so we passed on it.

I wonder, is that blue c-22 still on the lake?

We moved to GA in 1994. Two of the last things we did before leaving were to take the kids on the Alum Creek Dam walking trail and spent a day at the Rib Fest. Good bones man.

Why don't pictures come up on the gallery page. Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks and Go Bucks,

PW

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Ben
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Response Posted - 02/19/2004 : 09:34:24

Hi PW, yeah, that blue C22 is still here. She's called Devil in a Blue dress. The owners are members of the sailing club. Funny looking boat, IMHO. When you looked at it did it have a rather homely painting of a female devil in a tight blue dress on the transom. Pretty hideous as far as transom art goes.

http://www.alumcreeksailing.com/acsagallery.aspx?folder=gallery

Try the above link for pictures. I'm not sure why you couldn't get the pictures to work in the website.

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Response Posted - 02/19/2004 : 09:56:15

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">...may I use some of the Tech Tips from this association's website in the newsletter from time to time?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">This raises an interesting question. The internet is a public forum, and anything posted on it is considered to be in the public domain, unless exclusivity of the right to use it is preserved in some manner. If you'll scroll down to the bottom of this page, you'll see the words: "© © 2001 Catalina 25/250 National Association." That means our discussions are copyrighted by the national association, and the right to reproduce our discussions is controlled by the national association. When I went to the Tech Tips page, I noticed the copyright bug is absent. If we want to retain any legal right to control the dissemination of materials posted in Tech Tips, the copyright bug should be added to each page of Tech Tips.

Personally, I think the Association ought to allow Ben to use any tech tips that he wishes. The tips were "donated" to the association by members who obviously wanted to share them freely with other sailors. I doubt that anybody is likely to derive any significant commercial value from them, but I like the general idea of the association having the ability to control the dissemination of discussions and materials posted on this website, if the need ever becomes apparent.

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Response Posted - 02/19/2004 : 10:26:32

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Ben
 
I have recently volunteered to be the newsletter editor for my local sailing club, www.alumcreeksailing.com <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
For your info, your site welcome page does not funtion on my Mac. I see the animation but the enter here link does not function. There may be a less than standard code involved in your opening that you may want to rethink.

Steve,
Do you think it advisable that we also post a disclaimer as to the usability of any tech tip by anyone other than the author? While I am unaware of anyone getting mad about a tech tip gone wrong it does seem we are likely to incur a greater exposure to someone blaming us for a less than expected result from a tech tip.

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 02/19/2004 10:32:45

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Response Posted - 02/19/2004 : 13:12:42

Ben,

I think you are a great guy for asking! I am in agreement with most of the folks saying yes to your request, and I answered at length on the Officier's site.

I DO agree that a "caveat" expressing the fact that Tech tips or other forum advice is merely one person's opinion should be printed. I don't want to be sued, or have the Association held liable in any way for someone being hurt, or gear broken, for following MY advice!

Gary B.
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 02/19/2004 : 13:32:51

Is that a Spirit 23 there behind the leader?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 02/19/2004 : 14:18:27

wow, where to begin...

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 02/19/2004 : 14:19:08

no suprises here...

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 02/19/2004 : 15:13:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Do you think it advisable that we also post a disclaimer as to the usability of any tech tip...? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Unfortunately, yes. I suggest the following language: "The Association makes these Tech Tips available for your own, private use, at your own risk."

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 02/20/2004 : 09:18:09

Hi Ben,

When we looked at the boat it did not have the painting on the transom. Another clue: It didn't have a stern rail either.

There was also an old S2 8.0 Center cockpit on the lake. Is it still there?

I think it's great that you guys are building your own docks.

I got the pics to work. They are great.

Thanks,

PW

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 02/20/2004 : 17:02:25

Ben,
I have heard from most of the officers and staff of the c25/250 National Association and our concensus is that:

1. We sincerely appreciate your asking for permission to use Tech Tips for filler material for you newsletter.
2. We are in agreement that you can, and give our permission for you to use the Tech tips for this purpose.
3. We ask that you properly credit the C25/250 National Association and the author of the tips you publish
4. Include a disclaimer, similar to the one Milby presented in this thread.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Unfortunately, yes. I suggest the following language: "The Association makes these Tech Tips available for your own, private use, at your own risk."<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Good luck and what a great idea for material for you newsletter!

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Ben
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Response Posted - 02/21/2004 : 17:04:11

Thanks Don, the rest of the officers, and the general membership. I will do as you indicated. Thank you again for your indulgence.

PW, I think I have seen a center cockpit boat on the reservoir, though I couldn't tell what make it was. Looked a bit strange to me. Do you ever get back up to Columbus? If so, let me know and we'll cruise around your old stomping(sailing) grounds(waters).

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 02/21/2004 : 20:34:40

Hi Ben,

That sounds great to me.

I'll let you know when I head home next time.

Thanks a lot,

PW

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Ben
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Response Posted - 02/22/2004 : 10:02:04

Consider it a standing invitation.

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 02/22/2004 : 12:10:15

Hey Ben,

I get such a kick out of seeing the pictures of you guys sailing on Alum Creek. I bet you all have a great time together.

When we moved, there were only a few sailboats on the lake.

Our friends on the forum dont know that the sailing part of Alum creek is big, but not huge. Because of those darn bridges.

The bass boat guys probably think the Spanish Armada is out when your club has an event

You do look like an invading force on those wing-n-wing downwind shots.

Totally cool,

PW

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Ben
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Response Posted - 02/22/2004 : 14:57:02

Yeah, it is pretty amazing when there is a race going on, or when we're holding a well-attended event. We have close to 80 members in the club, and our new sailboat-only docks have something like 136 slips with only 12 left. That's a lot of sailboats on this little pond. If it weren't for those bridges, our lake would probably be twice as large. Instead, I think it's something like 1 mile wide by 5 miles long. Much better than where I used to sail my Cal 21. I was at a slip at Hoover Reservoir, near Alum. Hoover was something like a quarter of a mile wide and only a mile or two long between the dam and the bridge.

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 02/23/2004 : 07:25:44

Hey Ben,

Were you a member of the sailing club at Hoover?

Is that the club up in Dublin?

PW

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Ben
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Response Posted - 02/23/2004 : 08:35:47

PW, No, I wasn't a member of a sailing club on Hoover. The only club I know of at Hoover is the Hoover Yacht Club, but they allow only small boats, like the Capri 14.2 we had as a first boat. When I was on Hoover though, I had a Cal 21, too big for the HYC. The club, and Hoover, is in Westerville.

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 02/23/2004 : 12:48:59

Yea Ben,

I remember. Being an Otterbein Grad. I should have remembered where Hoover was.

When I was at Otterbein there was a sailboat dealer on Hoover and a Catalina dealer on 23 North just past I-270.

The club in Dublin is on the, Scioto (SP?) river. Or is it the Olentangy river? I'm losin it man!

I'll tell you what though, I can find a Tommy's or a Schmidts anytime.

I'm curious, are you originally from Columbus? I went to Whetstone High School. Back then, in the 1970's, we called it "Getstoned" High School

Oh man!

PW

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Ben
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Response Posted - 02/23/2004 : 13:19:17

Yeah, PW. I'm originally from Columbus. I went to St. Charles on Broad Street. I'm sure I wrestled against some folks from Whetstone HS a few times during my time there. Memories...God, I'm glad I'm not in high school anymore!

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 02/23/2004 : 13:57:16

Hi Ben,

I'm not familliar with St. Charles.

Is that a Catholic school?

A bunch of my friends went to St.Timmothy's during grade school. I went to Cranbrook Elementary and then to Ridgeview Jr. High.

Life was a lot simpler then.

PW

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