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JimB517
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Initially Posted - 02/24/2004 : 19:15:28

Derek, before I send $270.10 off for new jib and main halyards (3/16 V-12 spliced to a 3/8 tail).....

<b>Are you 100% sure that the 3/16 V12 will run through the existing sheaves at the top of the mast (for 1/8 wire) without chafing?</b>
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Is it possible to run this new line up the mast and back down without dropping the mast (using the existing wire halyards). If I have to drop the mast I'll probably just get new sheaves from Catalina Direct and go with 5/16 line. I am afraid that the 3/8 line will not feed through the blocks at the top of the mast?

By my calculations

I need 30 feet of V12 + 9 feet for overlap. I was told that the V12 must be run inside the tail past the deck organizer, cabintop clutch and winch. I am asking for 40 feet of tail line (3/8"). Sound right?

With splices, thimbles, and shipping, I'm sure this is going to come to about $300...ouch! This includes jib AND main halyard.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 02/24/2004 : 20:02:13

oh yeah, stainless or nylon thimble?

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 02/24/2004 : 20:42:26

Jim - I replied to your personal e-mail.
Derek

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/25/2004 : 08:48:06

Jim - check out laylines clearance cordage - the premade rigging section

http://www.layline.com/prodinfo.asp?number=LLR119&variation=&aitem=9&mitem=21

There is a 3/16ths to 5/16ths splice that looks to be close to what you are looking for in the 75 dollar range. They usually have deals like this from people that change their minds, or realize they gave the wrong size etc.

dw

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 02/25/2004 : 09:23:52

Duane - I'm not sure that would work.

When hoisted the 3/16" would come down too far and be running thru' the mast step block & deck organiser. Jim should check with Hal at Layline before buying it. The add also doesn't say anything about an eye-spliced shackle.
Derek

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/25/2004 : 14:57:28

you could always cut it and splice your own, or tie a bowline

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 02/25/2004 : 18:42:45

2 halyards ordered. $270.10 for

(1) 30 feet of 3/16 V12, 9 foot overlap, center splice, 40 feet of 3/8 braid, red and white, stainless thimble and eye splice (jib)

(2) 28 feet of 3/16 V12, 9 foot overlap, center splice, 35 feet of 3/8 braid, gerrn and white, stainless thimble and splice (main)

Fed X ground shipping.

West Marine Rigging Shop. Will post photos when they arrive next week.

V12 - amazing stuff. 12 strand 3/16 rope strong enough to lift the boat (almost - 4750 lb breaking strength).

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Do you think I have to drop the mast or can I use the old halyards to pull these up and over?

If I have to drop the mast I am going to order the stainless spreader sockets kit.

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Response Posted - 02/25/2004 : 21:02:28

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">If I have to drop the mast I am going to order the stainless spreader sockets kit.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Whoa.......I'm not a 25 type, but if I remember correctly you're sailing a time bomb, 'caus when the spreaders dislocate from the mast, in the right conditions, it WILL come down. I believe the socket upgrade is a must do.....am I right?

Oscar
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/26/2004 : 08:07:06

I sailed with a cracked cast socket for 3 years when I didn't know any better! Its definitely a safety issue, but I am not so sure its a time bomb.
dw

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 02/26/2004 : 09:59:45

Jim - I doubt that you can reeve the 5/16". I tried without success but it's pretty easy to send someone up the mast on one halyard, reeve the second and then have the mast person attach the second halyard to himself, secure it below and then detach and reeve the second. It's really not necessary to drop the mast, unless you have other maintenance to do.
Derek

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