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Which 6 lines to run to the cockpit?

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Scott L
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Initially Posted - 02/26/2004 : 12:37:09

After much choking and sputtering, I coughed up for the Spinlock triple rope clutches and Harken deck organizers to obtain the capability to run a total of 6 lines aft to the cockpit (3 on each side). However due to my limited experience actually sailing our boat (minor glitch), I am not sure which 6 lines to run back first

I assume these would include:
1) main halyard
2) jib halyard
3) spinn. halyard (spinn. sock or douser what about that?)
4) jib douser
5)1st reef
6) boom vang
7) cunningham
8) topping lift
9) 2nd reef (nahhh)

The first 5 seem like the right choices but the last one I am not sure about and also I may have MISSED SOMETHING

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We plan to cruise the San Juans, Columbia R., local lakes etc. etc. mostly short handed for a few years until the kids are old enough to help on deck. Our new mainsail will have 2 sets of reefs but I don't want to use up the precious clutch space with the 2nd reef.
Let's see.....what did I forget?
Thanks again,

Scott & Kelly Larson
"Ahti"
1980 SK SR
Southern Oregon

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John Mason
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Response Posted - 02/26/2004 : 12:54:45

I have the
main halyard
jib halyard
1st reefing line
spinnaker halyard
topping lift
and boom vang.

But then again, I don't have a
spinnaker dousing sock
jib douser
cunningham
or a 2nd reefing line.

Big help, huh?

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John G-
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Response Posted - 02/26/2004 : 13:24:53

Each person will do it differently but I will tell what I do and why.
On the port side with a cabintop winch I have from outside in the main halyard, the reefing line and the topping lift. That way everything I need to reef quickly is right there. I can tighten the topping lift lower the main and pull in the reef line all in under a minute and not leave the cockpit.
On the starboard side I just have the main out haul and the spin (in my case drifter) halyard. The outside is empty it would be the spin pole lift if I get a spinnaker. I use roller furling so the jib halyard stays on the mast.

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 02/26/2004 : 13:27:40

Scott & Kelly,

Re: "I am not sure which 6 lines to run back first"

Since your'e limited to six lines for now, I would start with:

1.) main halyard
2.) jib halyard
3.) spinn. halyard
4.) 1st reef
5.) cunningham
6.) topping lift
7.) 2nd reef (Oh, yeah!)

This is exactly why I ended up with two levels of control lines lead aft. On the port side clutches (with winch) I have: jib halyard, spinnaker halyard, and spinaker pole topping lift. On the stbd side clutches (no winch) I have: main halyard, 1st reef, 2nd reef. On the stbd side above those, I have three more lines in camcleats: main boom vang, topping lift, main downhaul (a.k.a. cunningham -- I have a sliding gooseneck). My jib dousing line is threaded through the stanchion bases on the port side, and doesn't have its own cleat right now -- I just use the port jib sheet cleat. My main outhaul cleat hangs from the boom. I would also lead any additional spinnaker or other headsail control lines to port with a second level of hardware, as I have on stbd. I try to follow a convention of mainsail controls to stbd, headsail controls to port. As you can see above, that will about work out evenly.

Adding that second level of control lines isn't difficult. The most time consuming part was making a little teak sort of table or bench stradling the clutch lines for the camcleats w/fairleads to mount on top of. If you decide to go that route, I may be able to post a photo or two.

-- Leon Sisson

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 02/26/2004 : 13:38:39

That was the right bullet to bight! I have the same set up. I will have two halyards, a reef line, a Cunningham line, the boom vang, an outhaul for the main, and a topping lift. That is seven. I will leave the boom vang as is until I figure out that 7th route, it will involve moving the topping lift out of the clutch and to a cam cleat. The headsail down haul runs along the stanchions and back to a cleat on the coaming, if I had a dousing sock it would run the same way. My third halyard will be for a chute and will never be used while single handing so it will stay on the mast and not be run back.
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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 02/26/2004 : 14:05:25

Hi Scott,

By now you have figured out that this a very personal decision. I also have led six lines back to the cockpit with two Harken deck organizers, two Spinlock triples and two Lewmar one speed winches; all cabin top mounted.

My decision on which lines to lead back was based upon: 1) the fact that I always singlehand, 2) I desired to stay in the cockpit as much as possible after leaving my slip, and 3) that I needed to be able to reduce sail very quickly due to Oklahoma's sudden and quick moving thunderstorms.

My lines led aft on starboard from starboard to port are: 1) main halyard, 2) main douser, and 3) single line reefer. This allows me to raise, douse, reef, and adjust the main singlehandedly from the cockpit. My lines led aft on port, and again from starboard to port, are: 1) topping lift, 2) jib halyard, and 3) jib douser.

As you may have surmised, my lines are sequenced from starboard to port in the sequence of their use. My boom vang tail is long enough to lay over the companionway hatch and lay in the cockpit. Having the cunningham, downhaul, and outhaul led aft would certainly be handy, but I've decided that for my purposes it's really not necessary and that I, personally, would prefer to avoid the additonal cabintop clutter.

Don't forget, you still have to spend boat units on the mast plate, blocks, and shackles or cabintop-mounted turning blocks.

Good luck and have fun!

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/26/2004 : 16:08:52

I will soon have 7. Currently 4.

Port will be

Main halyard
Spin Halyard
Pole up

Starboard will be
Jib Halyard
Reef
Topping Lift
Pole down

The Boom vang and cunningham have long enough lines that I can work them from the cockpit and the boom downhaul is a ron popeil device.

dw

Edited by - Champipple on 02/26/2004 16:33:51

Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 02/26/2004 : 16:29:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 
Port will be
Spin Halyard

Starboard will be
Jib Halyard
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Hey Duane,

Having served as the afterguard on a spinnaker class boat last summer, I sure would have preferred having the spinnaker halyard and the jib halyard right next to one another. That is, as I'm sure you know, because I was hauling the jib up seconds after blowing the spinnaker, but I still had to manage the spinnaker halyard tail while simulateneously hauling the jib halyard. Just a thought.

Come on spring!

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 02/26/2004 : 17:10:04

Yes this is personal and has caused me to think.

1. Three halyards (most)
2. Two spinniker pole control
3. Mmmmmm

Boom vang and cunningham have long tails and can be worked from the cockpit. Jenny rolls, and that could go to a clutch, but it doesn't now. Reef line or spinniker sock dosing line seem possiblities. But, after dosing the spinniker, (asymenterical) someone has to go forward to deal with the sock, making sure its either below, in a bag, or lashed. Spinniker needs someone to set and take down the pole, so I'm thinking the first reef line looks like the likely candidate for number six.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 02/26/2004 : 18:02:57

Indiscipline's set up

Starboard Clutch: main halyard, first reef, vang
Starboard jamb cleat : cunningham (not hooked up)
Port Clutch : roller furling, outhaul, jib halyard
Port jamb cleat : pole lift
Port jamb cleat 2 : spinnaker halyard

Topping lift uses a little block at the end of the boom with a "self tailing" mechanism.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/27/2004 : 15:01:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Antares
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 
Port will be
Spin Halyard

Starboard will be
Jib Halyard
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Hey Duane,

Having served as the afterguard on a spinnaker class boat last summer, I sure would have preferred having the spinnaker halyard and the jib halyard right next to one another. That is, as I'm sure you know, because I was hauling the jib up seconds after blowing the spinnaker, but I still had to manage the spinnaker halyard tail while simulateneously hauling the jib halyard. Just a thought.

Come on spring!

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JB

Being the “Guy in the Hole” on Tsunami, I understand what your getting at. You have to deal with a lot of lines at one time and everyone thinks theirs is more important than the other guys. However, this shouldn’t be a problem since the jib will be up and set prior to dousing the kite. Since we normally two hand the wasp, the helmsman would allow the guy to run around the boat and then take the spin halyard and ease it to me bringing in the sail. So the side would be irrelevant. On the rare occasion that the Catalina finds its way to the race course, we would have 3 extra crew on board, so it would become more of a non-issue.

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 02/27/2004 : 15:43:58

Raise the jib, then blow the spinniker? That's way too logical. Obviously, our driver is EXCESSIVELY driven. Gotta keep that kite up with clear air as long as possible. So, Duane, can I crew for you? Naw, better yet, 'tis almost time to take Antares. Just one more season of learning (and a bottom job), and then it'll be time to turn the tables. Bahahahaha.... ;-)

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 03/01/2004 : 07:49:58

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Antares
 Raise the jib, then blow the spinniker? That's way too logical. Obviously, our driver is EXCESSIVELY driven. Gotta kept that kite up with clear air as long as possible. So, Duane, can I crew for you? Naw, better yet, 'tis almost time to take Antares. Just one more season of learning (and a bottom job), and then it'll be time to turn the tables. Bahahahaha.... ;-)
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As you approach the mark, the jib isn't going to hurt you and you should still be able to keep the kite up in clear air. Plus, no headsail at all is way worse than half of one!

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 03/01/2004 : 08:01:57

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Antares
 Raise the jib, then blow the spinniker? That's way too logical. Obviously, our driver is EXCESSIVELY driven. Gotta kept that kite up with clear air as long as possible. So, Duane, can I crew for you? Naw, better yet, 'tis almost time to take Antares. Just one more season of learning (and a bottom job), and then it'll be time to turn the tables. Bahahahaha.... ;-)
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As you approach the mark, the jib isn't going to hurt you and you should still be able to keep the kite up in clear air. Plus, no headsail at all is way worse than half of one!
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Exactly, I always raised from the companionway in the lee of the headsail and dropped the same way. You need a mighty big boat to do it well on deck or from the forward sewer hatch.

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 03/01/2004 : 10:13:34

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 You need a mighty big boat to do it well on deck or from the forward sewer hatch.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I was part of a four-man crew racing a J/30, so not that big, but enough room on the foredeck for one to handle the sail and one the pole. The other three guys have been racing together FOREVER, so "new guy" suggestions won't be appreciated. Like I said before, soon enough I'll make my own mark (notice how sailing just provides to many easy puns?

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Scott L
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Response Posted - 03/01/2004 : 16:25:33

OK thanks again everyone. I have not decided exactly what I will do but it sound like the cunningham and boom vang may have to wait a while before being run aft until I get some more cleat space. I really like the sound of having all the lines needed for reefing on one side.

thanks a lot,

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Response Posted - 03/01/2004 : 17:14:08

Sorry, Scott. We sort of hijacked your thread. Unfortunately, some of us have a habit of doing that sometimes.

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Scott L
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Response Posted - 03/02/2004 : 12:26:48

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Antares

Sorry, Scott. We sort of hijacked your thread. Unfortunately, some of us have a habit of doing that sometimes.
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Oh man, no worries

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Herb Clark
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Response Posted - 03/03/2004 : 14:17:55

Scott,
For what it's worth, I have an 82 sk, tall rig. I consider myself a "cruise" but do some club racing for fun. My boat is set up with 3 reef points, but I keep my slab reefing in the 2nd reef position. I added the 3rd reef points when I found myself in 40 kts of wind on SF Bay in heavy seas and had to make a run for my life! I also have my 150 on a CDI frurler and in this particular blow had about 1 ft. out! My philosphy is reef sooner rather than later and deeper than you 1st think. One can always shake out the reef if the winds calm down. My lines are lead aft as follows. Main and spinnaker halyards to the wench on the port cabin top via a spinlock 2x rope clutch. Roller fuler to a cam cleat on port. Slab reefing to a cam cleat on starboad cabin top. Toping lift at end of boom, vang line is reached from the companion way. Seems simple when I compare it to what others have written, but they may ve racers who need to get every bit of speed out of their boats. We prefer comfort and safety 1st. I'm sure your will work it out to meet your needs.

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