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atgep
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Initially Posted - 03/22/2004 : 22:37:57

Now that I have a new main I am looking at a new Jenoa. I currently have a 135. My question is this. Is a 150 a better all around sail for the 25 ? I am often fully powered when I sail and have been quite pleased with the 135. Is a 150 that much bigger? I have a wing keel and am interested in improving the upwind performance. Some racing will be on the agenda as well. Thanks, Tom.

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 03/22/2004 : 23:24:55

The 150 is pretty big - the clew on my 150 comes back almost all the way to the cockpit! My comfort level of wind speed with the 150 is about 6 kts on a close reach, or 10 kts downwind. If it's any windier than that, I would swap to a smaller headsail. The 150 will way overdrive my boat in winds over 12.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 03/22/2004 : 23:39:15

"I am often fully powered when I sail and have been quite pleased with the 135"
I think you've answered your own question there...

However, if you're going (semi-seriously) racing you'll want at least 3 headsails in your inventory... 110, 135 and 150.. and a drifter too. If your 135 is still in good shape, you may want to consider adding to your inventory. If the 135 is blown out, and that sail fits your most common conditions, I'd replace it with a good one... then add to your inventory later.

BTW the 150 is a real vision blocker. If you get one, be sure to get a window in it. Even with a window I've been scared shi&^less a couple times by crossing with boats I hadn't seen.
They are not much fun to single hand with either... best done with crew.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 03/22/2004 : 23:40:59

Tom - a 155% will not only improve upwind speed, but poled-out downwind (if you don't use a chute)will REALLY help. No matter whether you race PHRF or OneDesign, without a 155% the competition will eat your lunch. We carry our 155% up to about 15 knots and then tend to reef the main, keeping the bigger headsail for better off-wind performance, shaking out the reef at the weather mark. It's easier than doing a headsail change on each leg (even with a double foil headstay).
Derek

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MattL
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Response Posted - 03/23/2004 : 00:28:41

Honestly, I think the 110 up wind is just as good as anyother size sail. But anything not close hauled the bigger the better. With my 110 I stay to the front of the pack but the broad reach kills me. With the new 150 up wind is not much different, but the broad reach is now a joy. Next step new bottom and then a new main. That is if the govt. sends me a big one.

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 03/23/2004 : 06:01:54

Most everyone is commenting on your question from a racing perspective, and their comments are valid. But I think there is another consideration: do you plan to roller furl your head sail? If so the head sail inventory is reduced to one sail, the sail you are going to always have on. In that case I'd want the Jenny as large as possible - 155 works for me.

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 03/23/2004 : 07:52:48

Tom, Derek and Don gave you the information you need. On Penny, which had hank ons, we only use the 110 twice that I can remember. The jib is the prime motor and the bigger the better. The main is the throttle and as Derek said, it is much easier to take out a reef than change a headsail. Reducing headsail with a furller, if necessary, is also much easier than changing sails. I assume of course that you intend to keep your furller and not switch to hanks.
I think you will be happy if you choose the 150 or 155, but be sure and get windows in it. It is a monster sail and anything to aid forward seeing ability is a must. Unless of course you tie one of your kids to the bow pulpit with a horn. You know one if by starboard, two if by port.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 03/23/2004 : 09:45:18

What hasn't been mentioned so far is the prevailing winds for your area.

In my sailing grounds, winds are extremely consistant and my 135 genoa is the right headsail about 80 percent of the time. A 110 or a 155 would be the right sail the other 20 percent. So for me, the best all around sail is my 135(actually 137), but yours might be different due to your prevailing winds.

What are the prevailing winds for your sailing area and what sail do you primarily use?

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 03/23/2004 : 11:02:13

That's an excellent point, Don. On Canyon Lake a 155% works most of the time - you just have to learn to deal with the always present gusts! Our "average" wind is 8 - 10 knots, but usually we suffer from either a dearth or a surfeit! I wouldn't want to use a 155% on S.F. Bay however!
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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 03/23/2004 : 23:41:50

"I wouldn't want to use a 155% on S.F. Bay however!"
I think all our comments are reflections of our own sailing venues.

Around here... (summer pattern anyway)

You start with a drifter in the early morning...
switch to a regular 155 in the late morning... (5 - 10)
by early afternoon you're thinking about a 135 (15 to 20)
and by mid afternoon it's blowing like stink and you want the blade.

In the evening, the wind cycle reverses and you go back down the
sail ladder.

I crewed on a racing boat for a few years... and got very used to
sail changes. Usually every da&* race and sometimes in mid-race...
bloody mylar sails too.. stiff as a board and unwieldy.

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cshaw
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Response Posted - 03/25/2004 : 14:25:51

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by atgep
 I am looking at a new Jenoa. I currently have a 135. Is a 150 a better all around sail for the 25 ? I am often fully powered when I sail and have been quite pleased with the 135. Is a 150 that much bigger? I have a wing keel and am interested in improving the upwind performance. Some racing will be on the agenda as well. Thanks, Tom.
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Tom,
If you get a Genoa and decide you want to race, make sure you get one that is as large as you can use without a penalty (usually 155% LP). You will really point a LOT better with the longer LP, and if the clew is a tad higher than the low cut deck sweepers you can have a pretty large foot roach to get more area and still get the endplate effect of a deck sweeper. A slightly higher clew also improves the sheeting angle.

Another thing to consider is to add reefing points in your jibs (for those of us that do not use roller reefing). I don't advocate reefing in a 155, since they are usually relatively light cloth, but I have reefing points in my 140, 130, and 110 (one cannot EVER have too many jibs, right??? <grin>... OK, its a sickness....). Easy put put in and shake out though for cruising or racing!

Chuck

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