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falco_esq
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Initially Posted - 04/04/2004 : 16:56:18

Something that seems so simple always gets complicated. I am a new owner of a Catalina 25, and have many questions. I began today by trying to replace my motor mount. This is essentially my dilema.

What do you all mean by travel? I have a 1983 Catalina 25. The motor mount was made of two thick pieces of wood that are glued and bolted together to double the thickness. This piece is shot, so I removed it today. Two mysterious springs appeared. The boat store had a plastic one for sale for about $45.00, but it was just too small. I need a motor mount that can support a 9.9HP Yamaha. The store said they cound order one for me, but they would have to know the brand name on the bracket that lifts the motor up and down. Of, course, I could not find a brand name on it anywhere. Do you know where I can get this part and how much it will be? $200.00 seems like aot of money.

Jason
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/04/2004 : 17:35:10

Jason,

Welcome to the forum!

"Travel" on a retractable motor mount is the distance it can go from top to bottom like that shown in this picture.

Does your current motor mount look like this?

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John V.
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Response Posted - 04/04/2004 : 17:46:30

Hey look up there Don has provided a picture!!! thanks Don.

The part you want is offered by Catalina Direct (#D1108) you can contact them by calling 800-959-7245. This is an excellent motor mount it is $209.00. I have used other mounts and this one for the price is excellent. It will support a 9.9 hp four stroke. It comes with a plastic motor mount so it won't become all splintered. I installed this mount last year and it has worked very well for me. It has a strong spring so lifting is easy. Made of all stainless it is strong and attractive.

Sorry it won't cost you less but you would not want an inferior mount to send your motor to the bottom.

Edited by - John V. on 04/04/2004 17:48:13

falco_esq
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Response Posted - 04/04/2004 : 17:50:16

Ah!! Yes, it has become clear to me. It does not look exactly like that one, but it functions in exactly the same way. There is a flat steel plate (Two of them next to each other actually) to which the actual peice of wood was attached two. I need to find a piece to replace the peice of wood I took off. And I don't want to lose any travel so the motor stays out of the water. (If I could figure out how to send a picture, I could show you a picture of a bracket that is a little mor similar to mine.)

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falco_esq
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Response Posted - 04/04/2004 : 17:51:40

So I will have to replace the entire bracket?

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falco_esq
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Response Posted - 04/04/2004 : 17:52:38

I don't really want to have to drill any new holes in the boat!!

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/04/2004 : 18:10:56

If you have a Garelick mount, here is a replacement [url="http://www.garelick.com/marine/product_catalog_detail.aspx?cat=oma&subcat=omba&page=0&dir=down#"]mounting pad[/url] that fits all Garelick mounts except for 71044, 71095, 71096 models

Additionally, [url="http://www.catalinadirect.com"]Catalina Direct[/url] sells replacement mounting pads for original Catalina (Garhauer) motor mounts.

If you haven't bought CD's Catalina 25 Owner's Handbook (catalog) yet, then you might consider doing so. It's only $10.00 and its got some good stuff in it.

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falco_esq
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Response Posted - 04/04/2004 : 18:19:50

Thank you so much for your help. If I cannot find the name on the bracket, should I assume it is an original motor bracket?

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OJ
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Response Posted - 04/04/2004 : 20:01:21

Probably as I have yet to see a Garhauer product with their name stamped on it.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/04/2004 : 20:05:34

Hi Jason...

The original on every C-25 was made by Garhauer, and looks like the picture Don posted above. If your bracket is made of tubular stainless steel with as shown in the picture, that's what it is. Catalina Direct (www.catalinadirect.com) sells the new version, with an additional spring, Starboard plastic mounting board, and better bushings--or you could get it directly from Garhauer. Some who have bought it would dispute it's appropriateness for the 100+ lb. 4-strokes--the springs apparently aren't quite up to that. I question its geometry for high-thrust 4-strokes, compared to the cast U-section brackets from Garelick and Fulton.

If you don't have a 4-stroke monster, the new Garhauer bracket should work very well for you, and won't require any new holes in the transom. If you do have a 4-stroke, I suggest you do a Search on this site for topics on "bracket" for many discussions.

BTW, I recommend that you order a C-25 Owner's Handbook from Catalina Direct ($10). It is largely a catalog, but has much good info on upgrades for our boats. They are a very valuable resource for us, although not affiliated with Catalina Yachts. I've done a fair amount of bu$ine$$ with them, and will recommend them for their knowledge, helpfulness, and generally reasonable (if not lowest) prices. They really know the C-25.

Have a great time with your new yacht!

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 04/04/2004 20:08:18

Doug
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Response Posted - 04/04/2004 : 21:41:19

You can replace the boards with by cutting new ones, but I'd recomend a new mount. Odds are the old mount wasn't designed for the big 4 stroke you're using. Go to Garhauer.com and you can save a few buck on the new mount. It also has twice the sping power, so lifting the motor will be easier.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 04/04/2004 : 21:41:50

Hi Jason
you can go here and see a garelick motor mount.

http://homepage.mac.com/fhopper/PhotoAlbum36.html

The pictures start part way through the album. If I had it to do over again I would have bought the garhauer. My old one was a wreck and I tried to buy "the best" instead it serves as a warning to others who may travel my path.

Also look here for more on the Garelick.
http://www.catalina25-250.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5342& SearchTerms=motor,mount

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/04/2004 : 22:02:22

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Doug
 ...Odds are the old mount wasn't designed for the big 4 stroke you're using...
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I don't see anywhere that he mentioned a 4-stroke.

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falco_esq
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Response Posted - 04/04/2004 : 23:43:32

Great info guys. I do have the big four stroke engine. It looks like the person who did this changed the motor to the four stroke. The bracket is spring loaded, so it is easy to lift out of the water. But the mount pad was made of wood. It is about 2" inches taller than the Garelick pad. But after analyizing all of this, the cracket looks like the Garelick bracket, not the Garhauer. I can't figure out why this guy would use this piece of wood instead of the plastic pad. I ordered the Bad for the Garelick. If for some reason it doesn't fit the bracket, I can return it and go from there. The actual bracket really looks brand new and modern, and it has never had trouble with the 4 stroke. I will have to take a picture of it and let you know how it turns out. Thanks for help, I think I will be joining this website, as I have TONS of questions!!!

PS: I have that Catalina DIrect Handbook. It came in on Friday.

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falco_esq
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Response Posted - 04/05/2004 : 13:02:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by falco_esq
 Great info guys. I do have the big four stroke engine. It looks like the person who did this changed the motor to the four stroke. The bracket is spring loaded, so it is easy to lift out of the water. But the mount pad was made of wood. It is about 2" inches taller than the Garelick pad. But after analyizing all of this, the cracket looks like the Garelick bracket, not the Garhauer. I can't figure out why this guy would use this piece of wood instead of the plastic pad. I ordered the Bad for the Garelick. If for some reason it doesn't fit the bracket, I can return it and go from there. The actual bracket really looks brand new and modern, and it has never had trouble with the 4 stroke. I will have to take a picture of it and let you know how it turns out. Thanks for help, I think I will be joining this website, as I have TONS of questions!!!

PS: I have that Catalina DIrect Handbook. It came in on Friday.
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falco_esq
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Response Posted - 04/05/2004 : 13:05:59

UGH. Turns out that Catalina Direct sells a mounting pad that is undrilled. I could have ordered that one and drilled the holes myself. I hope I got the right one!! No big deal, I can always return it. For future reference though, that seems to be the best solution.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/05/2004 : 22:16:30

Jason: If it is a Garelick and has a wooden board, I wonder if it's a new enough model to be properly designed for your 4-stroke. I bought my C-25 with a Garelick stainless steel sheet metal mount (polyethylene board) that was apparently not adequate for an 82# Honda--it had deformed slightly with that engine. When I changed to a 108# Honda, a new mount was definitely necessary. The latest designs from Garelick and Fulton are made of cast aluminum U-channels and L-channels that are extremely strong and geometrically stiff.

If it is made of sheet-metal, check the surfaces where the bracket mounts to the transom for signs of distortion.

Another idea for supporting a big 4-stroke is to put a 1/2" sheet of Starboard between the bracket and the transom to spread the load and protect the fiberglass. My transom was slightly indented from the bracket holding the smaller engine--the Starboard "fronting" board, which extends well below the bracket, makes it as solid as concrete.

Sled Dogs Rule--GO HUSKIES!

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 04/05/2004 22:22:05

rglennchap
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Response Posted - 04/07/2004 : 15:45:59

Hey Dave -- you wouldn't happen to have a photo with the starboard material in place would you?
Ron

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 04/07/2004 : 16:03:36

Hi Ron, it's shown above in Don Lucier's post regarding travel.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/07/2004 : 18:02:41

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Antares
 Hi Ron, it's shown above in Don Lucier's post regarding travel.
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Actually, it's not shown. The starboard reinforcement that Dave is talking about is a piece that he put between the mount and the transom to bring out the mount a little bit and also to strengthen the transom

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 04/07/2004 : 20:03:52

The starboard reinforcement is shown here.

http://homepage.mac.com/fhopper/PhotoAlbum36.html

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 04/07/2004 : 20:53:19

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 [quote]Actually, it's not shown. The starboard reinforcement that Dave is talking about is a piece that he put between the mount and the transom to bring out the mount a little bit and also to strengthen the transom<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Didn't read that very closely, did I?

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falco_esq
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Response Posted - 04/07/2004 : 21:02:09

Does the motor ever drag in the water when keeled over?

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/07/2004 : 23:09:49

My "fronting plate" is similar to Frank's, but extends a little lower and follows the curve of the edge of the transom. I figured the majority of the weight and thrust were pushing on the bottom of the bracket (and pulling on the top), so I gave it some extra surface below the bracket.

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falco_esq
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Response Posted - 04/08/2004 : 18:57:11

FRANK,

I ordered the Garelick, and it was not right. After a close look at the pad on your boat, I think yours is perfect. What is it?

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falco_esq
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Response Posted - 04/08/2004 : 19:17:59

Frank,

I know that yours is also a Garelick. The only I got is the same as in the picture that DOn posted above. What are the dimensions of it? (Can't believe such an easy thing is such a pain in the neck!!

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