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kenobie51
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Initially Posted - 04/12/2004 : 12:24:39

I am considering moving out of NY state. Winters too long and too cold, Too high taxes. Would like to hear from fellow members who sail in Missouri and Oklahoma. What lakes, Lakes with marinas? How long is the sailing season. (50 degrees or warmer)

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Larry Knobel
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Larry Knobel
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Sailing Cayuga Lake,NY

Edited by - kenobie51 on 04/12/2004 12:33:51

Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 04/12/2004 : 13:19:27

Hi Larry,

In Northeastern Oklahoma, the biggest and most popular lake is Grand Lake O' the Cherokees. Dozens of marinas and ramps are available, as well as several actual yacht clubs. Grove, Oklahoma is a well established retirement community on the lake. The sailing season is year round, depending on your tolerance for the cold in the winter and the heat in the summer. Given your 50 degree or warmer parameter, the sailing season would likely be March through November with a smattering of days in between.
[url="http://onegrandlake.com/"]One Grand Lake[/url] [url="http://mapper.acme.com/?lat=36.50746&long=-94.943845&scale=16&theme=Image&width=3&height=2&dot=Yes"]Satellite view[/url] [url="http://www.groveok.org/"]Grove community[/url]
Three other popular lakes are Keystone, Oolagah and Tenkiller. Keystone is fifteen minutes west of Tulsa and has a nice sailboat marina/club, but tends to be more shallow than Grand with less total sailable area. Oolagah is thirty minutes north of Tulsa and has a sailboat marina that is attempting a comeback from hard times, but this lake also tends to be fairly shallow with less total sailable area. Tenkiller is forty-five minutes southeast of Tulsa and is a beautiful area. Two members of this forum sail on Tenkiller, and will hopefully provide additional information on the sailing.

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ssteakley
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Response Posted - 04/12/2004 : 22:07:03

Larry, we really need to talk! Texas is where you are really wanting to be! Very Serious here. You have the choice of some of the biggest lakes, and the Texas coast. If you really want to leave cold and snow/ice and Oklahoma Tornados behind then head to Central Texas or South to the coast
just MHO,
Steve

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Tony Partain
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Response Posted - 04/13/2004 : 00:15:24

I spent 40 years in Saint Louis Missouri and there is a great lake to sail on about 60 miles to the east. Carlisle Lake in Carlisle Illinois. With two good sized marinas and The Carlisle Sailing Association this is a great place for racing and crusing. CSA has hosted many national events.
Saint Louis is a town of about 3 million and has just about everything you would want. Check it out.

http://www.csa-sailing.org/

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gnorgan
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Response Posted - 04/13/2004 : 00:26:04

No, no, no, no, no!!!! One place has tornados, another is really HOT in the summer.
What you're looking for is the ideal location: Mission Bay in San Diego, CA
Come join the friendly folks of The Seventh Fleet.

We've been sailing all winter and now we're working our way through spring. Then comes summer, then fall, then winter again.
Get it?

Sail ALL year if you want!!!
JOHO (Just Our Humble Opinion from Fleet 7)

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dave holtgrave
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Response Posted - 04/13/2004 : 09:52:06

gary
the guy ask for the midwest
not, paradise.

let him experience cold and hot wet and tonados.

why would he want to live were the temprature is always great and sail in the middle of winter.

doesn't your boat freeze in the water?

dave holtgrave
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sailing carlyle lake in southern illinois
in three weeks

(if the ice is gone!!!)

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Tony Partain
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Response Posted - 04/13/2004 : 10:48:23

I spent 40 years in the midwest and now I reside in the great northwest. We have many great places to sail within 450 miles, San Fransisco Bay, The Puget Sound, Klamath Lake (The largest inland body of fresh water west of the Rockies), and several high mountain lakes in the Cascades less than 60 miles from Bend Oregon where I live. Check out some of the following links for a taste.

http://elklakeresort.com

http://www.lodwick.com/images/WaldoLake.jpg

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=courses.washington.edu/sanjuan/images/islands.jpg&imgrefurl=http://courses.washington.edu/sanjuan/main.html&h=232&w=360&sz=50&tbnid=zUmj9qupap0J:&tbnh=75&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsan%2Bjuan%2Bislands%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG

http://runningy.com/Photo-Tour/

Edited by - Tony Partain on 04/13/2004 11:07:04

kenobie51
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Response Posted - 04/13/2004 : 12:40:27

Thanks to all who have replied so far. Geographic considerations for family members prohibit moving farther west than MO or OK. Anyone else?
Thank you J.B. Manley for your reply, I thought I was a member, joined back in 1996, must have missed a renewal and expired.

Larry Knobel

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NuNees
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Response Posted - 04/13/2004 : 20:00:57

Larry,
If you get out this way sometime I'll take you out on Carlyle lake ... I'm sure there are a couple of others who would do the same ... I think if I were in your position of being able to relocate at will, I'd spend some time traveling around to visit these sites. Some are really great some times of the year and sometimes not do great. (Except San Diego) As an example:
This past winter we had a few weeks of sub freezing temp. I didn't go to the lake much of the time, but was there on January 1 ... someone was sailing ... During winter Carlyle water level drops a bit, so it can be dicey witha deep draft boat ... a swing keel should be no trouble. Lats summer, during a hot spell, the winds were lazy and the water was not pretty ... but it was still pretty good. The other lake around St Louis are deeper and narrow, without as much space to sail ... Carlyle is roughly 2 + miles wde by 7 + mile long. No hills and not many trees to screw with the wind. Not a deep lake at all runs 10 tp 20 ft. I've been on Lake of the Ozarks ... but only a LARGE power boat can survive on weekends. I hear Stockton is OK, but I've never been there.
So, if you are coming through town, let us know, we'll take you for a sail.

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gnorgan
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Response Posted - 04/13/2004 : 20:29:55

Dave, it has to get really cold for salt water to freeze. I've never seen the Pacific Ocean frozen over

. Just thought I'd interject a bit of levity in this thread

as I noted Larry only wanted to move part way across the country.
Larry, same as everyone else, if you're ever out here, look us up on L Dock at the Marina Village Marina http://www.marinavillage.net/img/top2m.gif
in Mission Bay for some sailing fun.
You've probably checked out Jim Baumgarts' pictures so you can see what it looks like.
BTW, there is alot of people clustered around San Diego so it isn't exactly paradise. And the traffic I drive through to get there (1.45 hours) can be gruesome.
Tony, I've been to Bend and my brother and sister-in-law live in Shady Cove, Oregon, just north of Medford so that area is absolutely beautiful. We've stayed in Bend and been to the lake you mentioned (Elk Lake Resort). Don't get me thinking about that area...we love it there, too!!
Wherever one sails is the greatest I have to admit...Oklahoma, Texa$, Carlyle Lake looks terrific, too!!

I retire in about 4-6 years depending on how in-debt we are as a result of two college students. Who knows? We may be asking the same question Larry asked, looking for a cheaper place to go.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 04/13/2004 : 23:03:54

After the 2005 Nationals you will all wish you lived in Wichita Kansas.

(I hope)

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 04/13/2004 : 23:18:45

No offense, Frank, but been there, done that, and not going back. There's just no accounting for other people's tastes, eh? ;-)

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 04/14/2004 : 07:50:37

Ouch

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 04/14/2004 : 09:07:57

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 Ouch

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Me thinks, you misinterpreted to who's taste I was referring, matey. There's nothing inherently wrong with Wichita, other than my apparent lack of appreciation for all things midwestern.

Like I said, no offense intended.

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