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takokichi
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Initially Posted - 05/05/2004 : 10:33:26

For those interested in such things we just got our 2004 PHRF ticket.
Base - 234
Racing - 240
Cruising - 255

These are the numbers for PHRF-New England, Gulf of Maine Ocean Racing Fleet. They include a 6 sec/mile recreational adjustment.

We race the boat in crusing class since the race classes around here are full of real race boats.

YMMV
Justin

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 05/05/2004 : 18:35:14

Justin - unless all the other boats have equally inflated ratings, those numbers are a licence to steal! Most TR C25's around the nation rate 222!
Derek

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takokichi
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Response Posted - 05/05/2004 : 22:05:28

Derek - Its a good rating, but not as good as it looks.

tako kichi is a standard rig. Still appears about 6 seconds/mile high on average which gives us a spare half-minute on our typical 6 mile courses. Not everyone is inflated. I've heard from other C25 sailors that its higher than it needs to be. BTW - I'm going to appeal it.

I think they owe me another 6 seconds b/c my headsail is only a 135.

Then there are the adjustments which work in our favor. Here in Maine we have 15 knots + winds most race days. So we see hull speeds plus on the runs most days with our little 135 (and a pole). We get 6 second/mile for only having one headsail under the recreational adjustment. (This is a different 6 seconds than I want as described in the paragraph above.) In comparison many of the boats in our class need a blade to weather and a big gennoa off the wind and don't get the 6 second/mile boost for carrying only one headsail. Or they get the credit but have to carry a 150 or bigger and have poor sail shape to weather because they're too reefed up.

We're dying for the racing to start! We have newly faired blades this season (quick and dirty job) but we've picked up a few degrees of useable pointing and the tiller has become much more responsive to smaller movements. Less drag is good!

Justin

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 05/06/2004 : 00:02:48

Go get 'em, Justin!

Derek

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Jonathan Cuff
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Response Posted - 05/06/2004 : 09:45:23

I race in Grand Cayman on 228. I'm a standard rig wing keel. Should I be aiming for a higher rating?

Cheers Jonathan

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 05/06/2004 : 11:16:29

On Canyon Lake our PHRF Committee assesses each of our boats that race every year when the new PHRF Handbook comes out in April. We compare ratings from around the Country and use 5 - 6 venues that are comparable to our lake in their wind conditions, topography, types of courses run, etc. (We totally ignore the Northwest ratings as they are always way too high!) We also study how many boats of that type that each venue has racing, and the number of years experience that they have with that rating.
It seems that every year, the C25 TR rates 222 and the SR 228 (keel type immaterial). We did have a minor change 3 years ago when the TR went to 224, then 221 and is now back at 222.
Derek
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Canyon Lake

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Frank Hopper
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Pitcairn Island
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Response Posted - 05/06/2004 : 18:23:37

I raced last night for the first time this year, it turned out just like the last race of the season last year DFL. It was blowing hard, the 30's had six or seven crew, the other 25s had 2 or three crew and I was the only single hander. The only boat that I came close to beating was a wing 25 but he killed me down wind, I could not get a pole out by my self. Most of the boats had mylar sails. This is a snap of the 7.9 and the Kansas Twister, a serious 25.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 05/06/2004 : 18:51:38

That's some serious B.U.'s on display there!

Derek

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 05/06/2004 : 23:30:57

Hmmm... Interesting picture... sometimes you can see a lot just by observing.

Full battens top... partial battens lower. S7.9 boltrope on the foot, C25 loose footed?
Draft stripes on both. Roach just clears the backstay on the 25.
Boomkickers on both boats.. custom masthead fitting on the C25?
Odd extra patch just below the numbers on the C25.
Can't see the makers mark very clearly, but looks like 3DL loadpath from North?
Surprised they don't have masthead wind speed/direction gear... just Windex.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/06/2004 : 23:38:47

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ClamBeach
 ...Odd extra patch just below the numbers on the C25...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Could be a spreader tip patch.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 05/07/2004 : 09:51:21

It's certainly in the right place.

It's fun to look at other boats and how they are set up, especially the 'hot' ones.
(for me anyway)

Frank, if you get a chance, snap some more photos of Kansas Twister... it would be interesting to see what his deck gear/layout looks like.

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Frank Hopper
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Pitcairn Island
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Response Posted - 05/07/2004 : 19:35:12

This is the boat with the full width harken traveler on the transom. He has a custom spinnaker crane for his internal spinnaker halyard. He also has wonderful cabinets in the head/vanity area.

go here for more
http://homepage.mac.com/fhopper/PhotoAlbum49.html

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 05/07/2004 : 20:13:10

Four mast stays on each side??? Or is that something else I'm looking at?

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Frank Hopper
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Pitcairn Island
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Response Posted - 05/07/2004 : 23:10:57

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ClamBeach
 Four mast stays on each side??? Or is that something else I'm looking at?
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I keep telling you guys that is blows hard here!

I think you see to shrouds, the forward lower and the upper with tall PVC rollers and the aft shroud with a shorter PVC roller and a couple of stanchions, the front one lines up a little like a shroud.

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 05/07/2004 23:12:15

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