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arkayp
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Initially Posted - 06/06/2004 : 13:19:39

I am planning to upgrade to a new Tohatsu/Nissan 9.8 HP, extra long shaft, four stroke, electric start, tiller control motor from my current Tohatsu 8HP 2 Stroke. My boat is a 1996 C250 WB. I have two concerns: 1. Will it fit in the motor well? I have measured the well and it appears it will fit and swing in and out of the water. I am unsure how well it will turn. One of my goals is to increase motor turning to improve maneuverability in and out of a slip. My current motor is in fixed position with remote controls. 2. Is the shaft length correct? My current motor appears to be 28" long when measured per Nissan's definition, inside top of motor mount (top of stern) to bottom of cavtitation plate. The new motor is stated as a 25" shaft. It could be my measurement of current motor is wrong as I was hanging over the stern doing it, however it causes me to question lengths.

I found a recent forum where the same motor I am looking at was installed on Pretty Penny II, a 2004 model. When I spoke to Catalina, they said the motor well on the C250 was widened on later models (2002 and later?) therefore I'm not sure I can use the knowledge gained from the forum.

Any experiences or comments about this application are appreciated. (Or recommendation of other four strokes).

Thanks

arkayp

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 06/06/2004 : 13:40:03

Rick, the XLS shaft is advertised at 25", but the actual measurement from the motor clamp to the plate is 28". What is the width of your your motor well? On the 04 model it is: well I was going to run out and measure, but the lighting flashed and thunder roared so I adjusted my thinking. Will go out as soon as this passes.
Well it finally passed and it measures 16.75" at the mount point.

Edited by - frog0911 on 06/06/2004 14:09:53

Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 06/06/2004 : 14:01:29

Aren't there really simple non-lifting brackets that can be mounted to the transom of a 250 that would place the motor outside of the well and deal with the issue?
this might work. http://www.allinflatables.com/shopping/custom/pivot.html
this is more what I was talking about http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& rd=1& item=2481306474& category=50439
But this is it http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=8782& hvarTarget=search& hvarAID=bizrate& cm_ven=Performics& cm_cat=Search& cm_pla=DDI%20Link& cm_ite=BizRate%2Ecom

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 06/06/2004 : 21:07:17

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 Aren't there really simple non-lifting brackets that can be mounted to the transom of a 250 that would place the motor outside of the well and deal with the issue?
this might work.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
When I was looking at 250s, that was an option from Catalina.

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 06/06/2004 : 21:55:11

That I know of... no one has used a lifting mount on a 250 though Catalina does offer an extending mount which moves the outboard aft from the transom mount. A lifting mount could be used perhaps with a long shaft motor... but at the cost of some increase in up/down movement in chop. Extending the motor aft, also make starting and handling it that much more difficult... things the open transom was designed to avoid. To use such a mount would be to compromise on some good qualities of the open transom.

The Tohatsu shouldn't need it... I think its cowling is smaller than the Honda which provides adequate turning movement. One problem could be the tiller handle but this has been adressed in the past and if its a problem, an angle block can be inserted to alter the angle of the motor's tiller extension.

Edited by - Arlyn Stewart on 06/06/2004 21:57:46

arkayp
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Response Posted - 06/06/2004 : 22:39:16

frog0911, Thanks for checking. My boat is in San Diego and I'm in Phoenix, but I made a template of the well and used it to check a motor at the marine store and have it at home. I just measured it, the width of the well at moumting point is 14". The shaft length question is resolved. What would think about your application if the well was 3" smaller at the base? The Honda 8 cowling does look wider than the Tohatsu and I've seen it on a couple 90's model 250's. Between my check of the motor using the template and the Honda examples I think I'm OK, just trying to be as sure as possible before I spend the money. Again, thanks to all.

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 06/06/2004 : 23:00:20

The Honda is much wider than the Tohatsu/Nissan. I had to mount the engine as far to starboard as possible so the tiller would clear the port side when turning. The tiller must also be fully in the up position. I will measure the distance between the motor and sides of the engine cut out tomorrow to see how much space is available when the motor is tilted to the up position and let you know.

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 06/07/2004 : 07:57:30

With the motor up the distance from the gear **** lever to the well starboard sidewall is 1.5" and from the tiller to the port sidewall is 2.25". At 14" it will be very close to tilt the motor up. I would ask the dealer to allow you to take one home and try it or just take the boat by the dealers and have him try it. I am sure to make a sale he would be somewhat accommodating.
Good luck on your quest.

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arkayp
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Response Posted - 06/07/2004 : 11:46:18

Good Idea, Thanks Again!

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Docsparker
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Response Posted - 06/07/2004 : 14:30:20

I recently purchased and installed the Tohatsu motor to my new 2004 250WB. It has the XLS which appears perfect to me (a novice I admit)
The motor housing fits the mount and mounting well adequately, but I must keep the motor tiller arm up in order for it to pivot completely without hitting the center fuel locker. It is a close fit however
Great running motor with little noise and vibration. I purchased online at www.tohatsu-outboards.com from the advice of this list and very happy with the purchase. Good luck.
John Parker
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