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Genny track on deck of an '89

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Scooter
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Initially Posted - 08/16/2004 : 21:17:06

I was looking at (I'm told) and 89 and noticed that it appears the life line stanchion gets in the way of moving the track roller.

Probably not using the "exact" terms but the track is "into" the deck and inboard the life lines. Looks like if you want to move the genny traveler you would have to re-feed the line through the next life line stanchion and back through the roller.

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Scooter
C25 '89 SR/WK #5878 "Square Knot"
Vandemere NC.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/16/2004 : 21:52:45

That is not uncommon.

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Scooter
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Response Posted - 08/16/2004 : 21:59:30

It looks like there is anther C25 in the next slip that has the genny track just above the rub rail "outside" of the life lines. The track goes all the way to the stern.

Any ideas about the age or why the design change? It has the small 4" X 6" piece of white "glass" (to let light in) in the middle of the forward deck while the '89 I was looking at did not.

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oldsalt
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Response Posted - 08/16/2004 : 23:08:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Scooter
 It looks like there is anther C25 in the next slip that has the genny track just above the rub rail "outside" of the life lines. The track goes all the way to the stern.

Any ideas about the age or why the design change? It has the small 4" X 6" piece of white "glass" (to let light in) in the middle of the forward deck while the '89 I was looking at did not.
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Scooter, my boat was built this way with the sail track extending to the stern outboard of the lifelines and, for utility, I like it this way. I've got the translucent deck skylight over the V berth as well, and it's an '83.

The inboard track allows for somewhat closer sheeting angles, but I don't think it's worth the tradeoffs, and the fact that it's shorter probably saved Catalina some money. Frank Butler is a shrew businessman and very cost conscious.

The translucent deck skylight is nice to have but I imagine that it can become a source of leaks and is probably easily broken under the right conditions. Luckily, I haven't had any problems with it yet and I've owned my boat since she was new. Eliminating it probably saved the factory a few bucks on each boat as well.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/16/2004 : 23:35:39

Scooter, dude, buy the 89.
The reason your seeing tracks that look different is that Catalina completely redesigned the deck and hull liner for the last few boats. Then they killed it because it was too expensive to sell. Yes I think the inboard track is a step backward (but perfect for a roller furling 135) but the flat interior floor and the redesigned pop top and the translucent forward hatch are all big advantages. If you look at the stern pulpit you will see a new design that has a better traveler and a step through stern rail, it has a balanced rudder. The mast is painted and has internal halyards. The bow stem has an anchor roller, the cockpit has self tailing primaries, and the list goes on. You are looking at the primo example of the species, we would all have bought it if we knew what we know now and found one for sale. If it is primo with a trailer it is worth WELL OVER 10K.

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Bruce Ebling
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Response Posted - 08/17/2004 : 20:49:19

The mast is painted?? Mine must have been out to lunch when that was supposed to be done :-)
Bruce Ebling
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oldsalt
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Response Posted - 08/17/2004 : 21:31:46

A bow roller with improved stemhead fitting, flat floor pan (with reduced bilge access), translucent forward hatch, shorter inboard sail track, crummy instead of cruddy traveler, different but not necessarily improved pushpit, and a (sometimes) painted mast with internal halyards (both of which aren't univerally favored); worth almost twice the price of an otherwise excellent, well maintained and possibly "upgraded" example of earlier vintage C 25?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/17/2004 : 23:12:28

yes

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 08/18/2004 : 08:30:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 The mast is painted and has internal halyards... the cockpit has self tailing primaries...
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On my '89WK Mk. IV, the mast is plain anodized aluminum, not painted, snd the boat was delivered to the original owner with standard Lewmar #7 winches, not self-tailers. I think self-tailers were always an extra-cost option on the C-25; although most Mk. IV's do seem to have them, mine didn't. I did replace them with self-tailers last winter when SailNet had them on sale at a nice price.

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Brent
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Response Posted - 08/18/2004 : 09:50:08

I just rebedded the little skylight. The most time consuming and costly part of it was wiping the excess sealant off with paper towels (alot of paper towels). The little piece of plexiglass is about 1/8" thick. There is room for about a 1/4" piece if you want to upgrade.

The only modification I am going to make is to drill a small hole at each corner of the interior piece of plexiglass so that if water does get past the outside piece it can dry, without rotting the hull.

If someone were to upgrade to 1/4" plexiglass they would have to go after it with a hammer to get through the 1/4" piece. The 1/8" supports the ball of my 200# foot just fine (not to say I make a habit out of that).

On the genny track. While the outboard track will probably sacrafice some fractional amount of speed, the inboard track makes measurable adjustments imposible without re-threading the entire system. When the winds are really changing alot you end up not doing the adjustment (loss of performance).

Adjusting the car on the genny track is the most dangerous place I have found on my boat. You are right in the path of the boom, which is low on my TR. Maybe this is ok if you have a really experienced crew, but mine (myself included) are not, and therefore speed and efficiency of adjustments are primary.

My two cents
Brent

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 08/18/2004 : 11:21:42

OK, at the risk of beating this horse into the ground, I have an 88 tall rig which I bought new in 89. It had/has all the aforementioned goodies - painted mast, internal halyards, opaque hatch, etc. It did not have the self-tailers (wish I had opted for them though)and the tracks are inside the stancions. I haven't found this to be a significant problem though.

I've made a lot of upgrades to the boat over the years if you'd like to hear about them sometime. My last will be next year when I add a dodger and roller furling. I'm going cruising.

Al
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