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Frank Hopper
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Initially Posted - 08/26/2004 : 22:41:29

I just bought an '87 Hobie 17 (non-jib version). I have been envious of people with beach boats, but Sunfish and lasers won't carry me. Now what do I do with it? I have never sailed a cat. I need to rebuild one of the wing sockets.
Any input? Anyone... anyone?

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 09/06/2004 22:19:25

Oscar
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Response Posted - 08/27/2004 : 08:19:17

Launch it have fun with it. They go like hell on a beam reach. Going to windward can be tedious. Make sure you have speed before you try to tack.....If you need parts I regularly see them advertised on ebay.....start here:

http://motors.listings.ebay.com/Accessories-Gear_Sailing-Hardware-Gear_W0QQfromZR0QQlotrZ1QQsacategoryZ31281QQsocmdZListingItemListQQsocolumnlayoutZ3QQsocustoverrideZ1

Oscar
C42 # 76 "Lady Kay"
C250 # 618 Currently under agreement.
http://www.woodenshoemusic.com/C250WB

Edited by - Oscar on 08/27/2004 08:20:19

Lightnup
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Response Posted - 08/27/2004 : 09:44:25

Nice dinghy?

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 08/27/2004 : 10:18:33

If you tack and get stalled, push the boom over to what was the windward side, to backwind the sail, reverse the rudders, let the boat back around, release the boom, and take off!

You might also try your questions on Trailersailor.com's board--there's a little of everything over there, and lots of ideas.

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Jared
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Response Posted - 08/27/2004 : 11:14:16

If you get caught in the irons while tacking you can also pump the rudder back and forth (harder to the side you want to turn) and it will turn you through the tack as well. We had a little Hobie Wave as our first boat and that thing was a blast. Don't drink too much beer and forget to pay attention to the accidental gybes like we did before we knew what the heck we were doing - those puppies will FLIP!

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Ed Montague
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Response Posted - 08/27/2004 : 12:20:41

The wife and I raced Hobie 16A fleet here on the Pacific Coast for 12 years. Rake the mast back, move the rudders up under the hull and you will point to weather with speed and height. We were regularly pointing to 40 degrees true wind, double trapped. Yahoo!!
We still have the H16 (third one, wore two others out). If you plan on towing the Hobie, the best way is to side tie with fenders to the C25. She won't tow behind you at all unless somebody is on her steering.

Now you did it Frank, Tomorrow I think I will pull the old Hobie out and take her sailing.

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Scooter
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Response Posted - 08/31/2004 : 10:47:59

Nothing beats a Hobie Flying hull. Walking the boat on one hull in brisk wind is quite the rush. Still have my 16 ready for whenever the wind is too rough or just don't feel like reefing.

****** One word of caution. ***** If you do any "flying hull" (or getting up on one hull) watch the forward tip of the hull in the water. Move your weight aft to keep it up. If that gets buried in the water at a good clip you WILL "pitch-pole". If you have anybody on the trapeze they WILL become airborn. Think of a stick with a string tied to the end like a whip. Now tie a stone to the other end of the string. Now use the stick like a whip. Need I say that you (or your unsuspecting friend) are the stone.

It's a good stress test for your gear though. It's good to experience "once" but safety dictates avoiding this operation (unless you want to teach a backseat captain a lesson).

Also, if you do any sailing at the beach and are jumping waves be carefull about while your up in the air. The wind can get under the tramp and turn you over. Ask me how I know. Can you say bent/broken mast, broken battens, torn sail, etc..?? It WAS a ride though until....

Another also... If you run it up on land often and the "beach" is rough you might consider a sacrificial layer of Epoxy or Resin. This will protect the gellcoat if it has any left.

Check your rudder pins often. Especially if you have fiberglass ones. I have both aluminum and fiberglass. I use the fiberglass ones for beach surf. If you go up a wave and the wave pushes you backwards the rudders will hit first with the full weight of the boat. The rudders are designed to pop-up moving forward (not backward). The fiberglass pin will break first instead on the rudder or worse gudgeon. (no.. not from experience)

If you do turn it over, my 16 takes 2 people's wieght to right it. I have the righting rig (rope). Take your time and let the boat turn until the mast is pointing upwind. Loosen all blocks, use the righting line and hang back. Takes practice. Suggest forcing the issue several times. Especially on calm hot days. We used to turn it over on purpose and jump off the upper hull (now about 7-8 feet above the water.

These boats are constant fun. Ohhh the memories. That boat brought my wife and me together. She was th eonly one who wanted to sail on it at night. Waht really did it for me was the next day it was dead calm. I was anchored out in the river washing my boat off and she swam out and started helping me clean it. I new I had a winner.

5 years later we got married on a 57 ft schooner off Key West at sunset.

Good Luck.

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tmhansen
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Response Posted - 09/01/2004 : 00:50:17

Now you've done it. I've been missing the old Hobie 16 lately. I love the big boat but it is a different experience. My two cents as a former Hobie racer too. (only B fleet though) Capsize on a calm day can actually be harder to get the boat back over than with the wind blowing. Also make sure the rudder pins are secure. My brother turned his H16 turtle and lost his rudders! Also when righting I find it easier not to have the mast pointing into the wind but 90 to it. With the mast at 90 the wind will want to push the boat right over the other way. Turn the boat so that the wind is perpendicular to the mast and the bow is into the wind. The wind will fill the sail to assist and you will be in irons when you right the boat, not blasting off on a reach. For the 17 you will get good at steering backwards. Have to be a contortionist to get under the boom. Flying a hull in the ocean while on the wire is the best. The 17's wings get you up so high you don't get body slammed by swells ( I think).

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 09/01/2004 : 07:55:51

... That boat brought my wife and me together. She was the only one who wanted to sail on it at night. What really did it for me was the next day it was dead calm. I was anchored out in the river washing my boat off and she swam out and started helping me clean it. I new I had a winner. - Scooter

You are a lucky man ... does she have a single sister?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/01/2004 : 10:26:48

I am repairing the wing sockets this week and I hope to go for my first sail this weekend. I am very concerned about how to get under the boom. I may raise the goose neck a couple of feet and have the sail re-cut. That boom is bizzare. Thgis picture isn't great but the point is that the boom has a gooseneck at the tramp and rises very little to the clew.
[url="http://csa-sailing.org/fleets/hobie/Continentals/pictures_3/MVC-823S.JPG"]boom height[/url]

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 09/02/2004 23:17:54

Oscar
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Response Posted - 09/01/2004 : 15:39:52

Frank, seems to me you got everything you need to make a Tri......

Oscar
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C250 # 618 Good Survey, awaiting closing.
http://www.woodenshoemusic.com/C250WB

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 09/01/2004 : 23:07:46

So where's the porta-potty?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/01/2004 : 23:13:04

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Ed Montague
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Response Posted - 09/02/2004 : 00:18:50

Spend a weekend racing on Monterey Bay, Santa Cruz, Bodega Bay, SF Bay, etc on a Hobie with the water in the 50's (degrees F) and in between races isn't long enough for a trip to shore for relief. The warming sensation inside your wet suit is wonderful.

Oh come on now, don't get all grossed out.

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 09/02/2004 : 10:37:32

Watch out for diaper rash.....

Oscar
C42 # 76 "Lady Kay"
C250 # 618 Good Survey, awaiting closing.
http://www.woodenshoemusic.com/C250WB

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/02/2004 : 11:16:38

...speaking as a pilot, Oscar?

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Charlie Vick
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Response Posted - 09/02/2004 : 11:55:56

Couple of buddies of mine went in together on a used Nacra 5.2 at the beginning of the summer, which I helped them rig but didn't go out with the first time out and they came back asking me how you sail backwards! Seems they didn't want to use the jib their first time out and no matter how fast they were going into a tack it always ended up in irons and then sailing backwards. We rigged the jib up and it tacked perfectly after that.
They've only sailed it maybe 5 or 6 times this summer because they think it too much trouble to rig up (they're both stinkpotters) even with the boat sitting in the water ready to go except for the sails. I figure in the fall I'll be able to pick it up for a song and a dance when they don't want to mess with it anymore.
And by the way their porta-potti is just going in their bathing suits where they sit while sailing since there's awlays water splashing up through the trampoline!

www.nacra.com

CVick
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kbq
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Response Posted - 09/02/2004 : 12:26:29

Ed -

You gonna have the Hobie out to play this weekend? If so, are you going to be anchoring out (and where)?

Kevin
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Ed Montague
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Response Posted - 09/02/2004 : 12:52:01

Kevin, I haven't decided if I want to hassel with the crowds for the launch ramp. The little red Banchee is in the cove already. If you are interested I will see if I can get the Hobie up to the lake. I just don't want to see it sitting unused. We will be in the middle bay on the west side (to the left) up near where the lake starts to narrow before upper bay, if you get to Green Bay you have gone too far. Look for three house boats tied together, we will be either tied to one corner or anchored off to the side. Hail us on channel 72.

I am praying for all you folks in harm's way as this next hurricane charges at you this week end. God Bless and be safe!!

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 09/02/2004 : 22:49:59

Nah, don't wear wet suits in the cockpit Dave......people would get concerned...especially going across the pond..

Oscar
C42 # 76 "Lady Kay"
C250 # 618 Good Survey, awaiting closing.
http://www.woodenshoemusic.com/C250WB

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/02/2004 : 23:16:59

This is a picture of my new boat demonstrating that positive flotation works. I have spent all week repairing the fractures in the Wing sockets. I am taking it to the lake tomorrow to test my repair job. This telephoto shot is looking from the guest docks across the small boat cove where the beach boats hang out, across the parking lot, toward the slips.

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 09/02/2004 23:20:09

Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/06/2004 : 22:21:03

Link to some shots of the boat repair and ME finally sailing it. It was great fun.
http://homepage.mac.com/fhopper/PhotoAlbum71.html

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 09/06/2004 : 22:33:55

Looks like lots o' fun. Did you figure out how to come about without the obscenely low boom decapitating you?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/06/2004 : 22:43:31

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Lightnup
 Looks like lots o' fun. Did you figure out how to come about without the obscenely low boom decapitating you?

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Just as you tack, you cast off the mainsheet to let the boom rise. I had about a half dozen bad tacks and a lot of successful tacks, no fast tacks.
Last night I was out on the leeward wing getting gravity to fill the sail and ghosted into the cove just before our annual fireworks show. We had around two hundred cars in the club for the show and as I was failing to make any headway once in the cove, the shouts of "what ya do'n Frank?" began. Finally someone was kind enough to suggest that I raise the rudders and scull my way in, it worked great.

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 09/07/2004 : 14:54:18

I assume you'll be signing up Frank?

http://www.sailinganarchy.com/fringe/2004/atlantic1000.htm

Oscar
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