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mfasis
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Initially Posted - 09/14/2004 : 02:22:02

Well, I tied up my boat in the bayou as well as I could after taking everything off. This has got to be the most nerve racking experience I've ever had. Putting up plywood on the house and my store will happen tomorrow. I hope to evacuate either Tueday night or early Wednesday morning. Even though I have only been able to use my boat for the last month or so it has been great.

Wish us luck.

Mark

Mark Britton
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cvwall
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Response Posted - 09/14/2004 : 08:17:55

Sounds like you're doing all you can, the rest is up to Mother Nature. I hope all goes well; let us know how you fare once the beast passes.

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jhugener
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Response Posted - 09/14/2004 : 11:19:16

I am in the boat (Pensacola FL).

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thacket3
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Response Posted - 09/14/2004 : 12:43:52

Are you staying in the boat for the storm? If you are, I urge you to re-think that. In Miami, during Frances FAR south of the storm, the Coast Gaurd was pulling people off of boats that tried to ride out the storm via helicopter. Frances was mild compared to What Ivan may bring. Please be safe

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/14/2004 : 15:14:24

If you are going to stay I would pick a bigger mast to lash myself to!

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 09/14/2004 : 15:40:46

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I am in the boat (Pensacola FL).<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Joseph and Beverly:

Feel free to list your next of kin here. We'll contact them afterward. Look at the Hurricane Frances pictures from the BoatUS Catastrophe Team below and judge for yourself if I'm being overly dramatic.

http://www.boatus.com/hurricanes/charley_frances_photos.asp

Steve

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 09/14/2004 : 16:00:24

The only way you should do that is if you put it on a trailer and drag it 300 miles east or west of your position.

Oscar
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coach
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Response Posted - 09/14/2004 : 16:30:08

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jhugener
 I am in the boat (Pensacola FL).
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Please tell me you are joking???? If not, it is safe to say that I am not the craziest person alive.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 09/14/2004 : 19:37:20

good luck all, but here are my conclusions from looking at all the photos

(1) I can't believe that people would leave their mainsails and roller furling sails up. Some mains survived tied to the boom. No roller furlers did.

(2) Huge powerboats - with their massive freeboard - take much worse beating than sailboats. I can't believe some owners left their full isinglass enclosures up.

(3) notice the palm trees and yacht club were standing undamanged? Get your self ashore!

(4) you are doomed if the docks start breaking up. Notice the docks near to the shore survived. But boats docked farther out crashed onto those close in when their docks were destroyed.

(5) you are doomed if a big 60 ft motor yacht crashes down onto you no matter how many fenders and how well secured your sailboat.

(6) do everything possible to reduce windage. Stow all anchors and anything that could catch on a dock or other boat.

(7) lots of boats were basically OK but holed by ramming their pilings. Get lots of fenders AND fenderboards in position.

(8) wood boats were shattered.

(9) fiberglass boats were fractured along impact points. Fracture at or near the water line? Sunk.

(10) it would be better to be washed up on a sandy beach then crushed in a pile of boats along a concrete seawall. Perhaps anchoring out (with no power boats upwind) and watching everything from the yacht club would give you a better shot.

Give me a steel, full keeled boat that can take a grounding. Get it anchored well offshore with lots of chafe protection. Be rigged for about 9 anchors. Get all windage reduced to the max. Go to shore.

Or I always figured if we got caught on our cruise I would head into the mangroves.

We weathered a severe storm tied up to pilings in Atlantic Highlands, New Jersey (the first Nor Easter of the season). We spent the night aboard. If it happened again I'd choose the nearest Motel 6.

At the height of the storm, there was no way we could have gotten off the boat if we wanted. All lines were like steel bars. We were 9 feet below the dock due to low tides. We were blown off the dock about 5 feet due to the extreme winds. Our docklines cut grooves in the wooden docks by morning. Waves were breaking over the seawall and 3 foot breaking seas were hitting us in the slip. And this just a 35 knot gale!

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 09/14/2004 : 19:54:26

real time hurricane data from the NOAA Bouy

Station 42003 - E GULF 260 nm South of Panama City, FL

Wind 48.6
Gust 60.2
Seas 29.9 ft at 14 seconds

115 NM from Ivan.

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 09/14/2004 : 20:23:48

I'll chime in on this.....

And the pressure is 29.40 and falling rapidly....here's the link:

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=42003

The position of the buoy is 26.01 N 85.91 W

Let me get a fix on Ivan.....

Here we go:

AT 7 PM CDT...0000Z...THE EYE OF HURRICANE IVAN WAS LOCATED NEAR
LATITUDE 24.7 NORTH... LONGITUDE 87.0 WEST

So Ivan is 100 nm on about a 220 bearing from the buoy heading N-NE at 10 kts....that would put it 70 abeam (west) by about 0400 EDT.

Oscar
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C250 # 618 Good Survey, check's in the mail.
http://www.woodenshoemusic.com/C250WB

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mfasis
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Response Posted - 09/14/2004 : 20:34:13

Well, I have done everything I can and we will be evacuating tonight. I will check in when I can.

Mark

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/14/2004 : 21:18:09

Hey Joseph, let Beverly go.

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 09/14/2004 : 22:20:30

Looks like the buoy shut down....

Oscar
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C250 # 618 Good Survey, check's in the mail.
http://www.woodenshoemusic.com/C250WB

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 09/14/2004 : 23:49:54

When Frances went thru the St. Augustine bouy shut down, broke it's mooring and they found it north of Savannah, Ga. The last wave report from it was 30 feet. I haven't looked lately so don't know if they have it up and going again. Why hurry cause HERE COMES JEANNE. PennyII is still in pieces so I will just leave her that way for awhile since this week is peak hurrucane season week. After this week it is all downhill till November, say the weather guessers. Of course, Mother Nature doesn't listen to them, just us common folk listen and pray they are correct this time of the year.

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Jeff McK
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Response Posted - 09/15/2004 : 21:42:47

Joe & Beverly,

As a 18 year fire & rescue veteran, I can't believe you are so stupid as to jeopardize yourselves in such a manner. We have another name for folks with this mindset; FOOLS!

PLEASE get off the boat & seek shelter.

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oldsalt
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Response Posted - 09/15/2004 : 22:27:57

From the FAQ page of the National Hurricane Center website:http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/D5.html

The damage that a hurricane is likely to wreak exponentially increases with the wind velocity as described by the catagory of the storm. IE: a catagory 4 is 250 times as destructive as a catagory 1 storm and a catagory 5 is 500 times as devastating.

From live pictures of the areas likely to be impacted it would seem that anyone who has stayed aboard in the face of the incredible destructive power of Ivan is likely a gonner by now.

If the post wasn't some sort of hoax.

I for one hope it was a hoax or that the individuals involved decided to rethink their actions and got going while the going was still good.

To all who are in the path of this monster, Godspeed.

Edited by - oldsalt on 09/15/2004 22:45:44

Lightnup
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Response Posted - 09/16/2004 : 12:02:26

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Guys....READ.....he said he was evacuating.......<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Hmmmm... he said "I'm in the boat," but then said nothing else (unless I missed it).
Could mean "I'm in the boat and motoring/sailing away as fast as possible," which is highly unlikely. Or, "I'm in the boat while it's on a trailer being pulled east on Interstate 10." Again, probably not. Or, "I'm in the boat and planning on sticking it out through the hurricane." Seems plausible. Or, "I'm in the boat but I really don't even own a boat and thought I'd post a dumb message here just to see if it elicits a response." Could be.

Guess we'll know if we either hear from Joseph again or read his and Beverly's obits in the Pensacola paper.

Steve

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oldsalt
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Response Posted - 09/16/2004 : 13:21:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Oscar
 Guys....READ.....he said he was evacuating.......

Oscar
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Oscar, I believe you've confused Joseph (and Beverly?) who stated "I'm in the boat (Pensacola Florida)", with Mark Britton who did say he had done all he could and was evacuating.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/16/2004 : 15:00:14

Mea Culpa O?

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atgep
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Response Posted - 09/17/2004 : 11:39:58

Looks like we can chalk up at least one Cat to Ivan. Looks like a 250 or a 270. Not sure.

http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/guides/hurricane/galleries/gallery_ivan916-14/photo1.jpg

My inlaws live there and it is a royal mess. Their home is ok except for the missing electrical meter box and pole. It is not only pulled from the house, but GONE. My heart goes out to every one there for taking the big bullet.

Tom.

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 09/17/2004 : 13:06:39

A Pensacola Catalina

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/17/2004 : 14:22:54

Capri 26?

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Jeff McK
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Response Posted - 09/17/2004 : 14:33:48

This certainly redefines dry-sailing, doesn't it? It looks like all the sails were left on, although it probably would not have made any difference to remove them in this case. I sure hope nobody was in the way of that one when she arrived. I wonder how far from the water she got thrown?

Based on the small rectangular port on the forward part of the cabin I'd say it's a 270.

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 09/17/2004 : 20:53:52

Oscar
C42 # 76 "Lady Kay"
C250 # 618 Sold and settled, awaiting transfer of command.
http://www.woodenshoemusic.com/C250WB

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 09/17/2004 : 21:17:53

Do we have any members in Pensacola? I'm trying to get some info on the 50' Prout (aka The Big Cat) that I took over there a couple of months ago - she is (was?) on a mooring in the Naval Station marina. Feel free to e-mail me direct.
Derek

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