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PHRF for C25 WK SR??

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Jorge
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Initially Posted - 03/12/2002 : 22:02:59

I need the PHRF for my boat, a 1989 Catalina 25, Wing Keel, Std. rigging. I've been told the rating varies from one year to the next. Is that right?, and if so, What's this year's rating for my boat?

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Jorge on "Fetish"

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 03/13/2002 : 07:58:51

Jorge,

It depends where you race and any modifications you have made....

dw

Duane Wolff
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Greg Jackson
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Response Posted - 03/14/2002 : 21:06:20

Your rating is whatever you get from those you sail with. If you sail with a loosely organized group, you can talk them into just about anything. If you sail with a more formal group you will have to submit a form with a complete boat description to the committee. They have a defined process wherein you have limited room for argument.

I would like to know if you go through the rating process. I have never seen a rated C25 wing keel. The swing and fixed keel models are generally 216 to 230 depending on tall rig, roller furling, and other things. I suspect the wing keel belongs more into the 235 range or worse since it does so poorly upwind. The boat will appear to point as well as the other models, but if you track the tack angle with GPS instead of a compass you will find there is a lot of leeway.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 03/15/2002 : 14:13:16

Jorge - the current (2001) PHRF National Handbook lists a few C25 SRWK's. The ratings listed are 225 (Oklahoma City), 227 (Blackwater) and 228 (Lake Erie).
I hope this is some help as we don't have any racing on our lake.
Derek Crawford, Chairman PHRF Committee Canyon Lake, TX.

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Bristle
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Response Posted - 03/15/2002 : 16:25:08

I was going to guess 225-230, which Derek's numbers support. But if you can get 235, go for it! Just show the measurer the actual keel--he/she will wonder out loud if the boat can go to weather at all! When I see one on a trailer, I wonder that myself! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Val: Any comments on the difference?

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 SR-FK #5032 "Passage" in CT

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Jorge
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Response Posted - 03/19/2002 : 14:52:17

The ratings came in. My 1989 Catalina 25, WK, SR. Was rated as 216, same rating as a Santana 25' and a Seidleman 25'. Other ratings: San Juan 21' 205, Catalina 30' 204.
This is a very losely organized group. It is called the Run for the Rum, and it is organized every year in Biscayne Bay, Miami, by the Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science, University of Miami. It goes from Miami to Boca Chita, some 15 miles South. Upon arrival, everybody gets their price: a bottle of rum. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
If anybody is in the area and is interested, let me know, and I'll send you the details. It's happening this coming weekend

Jorge on "Fetish"

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 03/19/2002 : 16:23:53

Jorge - if you want to make some easy money, bet heavily on the Catalina 30 - his number is at least 20 points too high! (Your boat is 7 - 12 points too low). The San Juan is about 40 too low and the other two are somewhere close to correct.
Where does your PHRF Committee get these numbers. There is an area listed in the book as S.E.Florida and none of their numbers are close to yours...<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>
I'd ask for a recount (Florida is already famous for those, right!??<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>)
Derek

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Greg Jackson
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Response Posted - 03/22/2002 : 10:13:23

To Jorge on S.V. Fetish

You're screwed. But then so is the Seildleman skipper. If the Santana guy has any sort of skill or halfway decent sails you will probably be seeing a lot of his transom.

G. Jackson

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triley
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Response Posted - 03/26/2002 : 22:23:42

Wow. My old San Juan 21 was rated 253! I pity that sailor. He waon't even make last place with that PHRF.

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