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Happy D
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Initially Posted - 11/20/2004 : 09:45:18

Do you use all 14' the of genoa track? I need to replace the track on this boat. The po removed the existing track and broke it. I will certainly purchase 14' if I'm going to need it all.

Is anyone tailing their sheets off the winches with cam cleats only?
The original jambers are gone. They aren't expensive to replace but I was wondering if cam cleats are better?
I realize I will need to build a block to raise the cam cleat to line up better with the top of the winch.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 11/20/2004 : 10:08:39

IMHO follows:

If you're going to run a full complement of sails (110 to 150)... get the full track.

I think the clam (jamb) cleats are the best choice for that location. Most cam cleats I've used needed a fairlead to make them work properly. Not a good spot for a fairlead as you need to be able to 'clear' the sheet (free it completely) if you have a mess-up on the winch or are fast-tacking in a blow. Clam cleats are also easier to release if you've got a load on the sheet.

Frank put a lot of thought into setting up these boats... while it's not perfect for everyone, mostly he 'got it right'.

All above just my 2 cts.

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 11/20/2004 : 10:19:50

Dan,

Cam cleats are better for most frequently adjusted control lines. Jamb cleats on sheets are an anachronism from the bygone days of mast hoops and baggywrinkle. And yes, put some thought into the sheet lead from the winch to the cleat to the tailer's hand.

If you've got one original full length T-track still intact, I'd go ahead and replace the other one full length. I've sheeted various size headsails from very near the forward end of the track all the way back nearly to the primary winches. Long tracks can be handy for sheeting spinnakers, adding movable docking cleats and fender hangers, and probably other stuff I'm forgetting to mention.

-- Leon Sisson

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 11/20/2004 : 11:43:26

You need the full track if you, or a subsequent owner, want to fly a spinnaker or a 180% or similar headsail. If the biggest headsail you will fly is a 155% genoa, then you only need track that leads back to about the winch.

In the following hyperlink, we discussed the pros and cons of some of the types of cleats used for the sheets:
http://www.catalina25-250.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7170& whichpage=1& SearchTerms=clam

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Stu Jackson C34
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Response Posted - 11/20/2004 : 15:11:20

You could also use Winchers on the winches and minimize dependence on any type of cleat. I found regular cleats were the easiest to use.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 11/20/2004 : 16:17:57

I use both types, I have cams set up so that if I have crew they work them from directly across from the winch, clams are set up for when I single hand and are lined up with the helm. The big issue for me on the cams was getting bolts long enough. Particularly on the starboard side where I needed to go through the coaming deck and the coaming pocket flange on one bolt. I used 4" bolts and still did not get the rise I wanted. Also I used the big ocean cams, my sheets are large and I also cleat my 1/2" golden braid dock lines in them sometimes.
The issue on the clams has been the aluminum race vs the plastic. I went aluminum and they hold a little too well, I think the plastic is probably better.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 11/20/2004 : 17:47:12

I mounted cam cleats positioned so that after I've trimmed the sail, I hook the sheet under one horn of the standard cleat and then snap it down into the cam. That eliminates the need for a riser, and probably works better than a riser would. My sheets are big old 1/2-inchers, so I bought just about the biggest cam Ronstan makes. I chose Ronstan because their rounded tops seemed to release the line easier when it's under load.

My experience with clams (jams are different) is that lines seem to want to find their way into them and catch just when you need them to be playing out. I guess that's somewhat less likely on a riser...

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 11/21/2004 13:00:08

Dave Laux
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Response Posted - 11/21/2004 : 13:09:56

I made seat backs that come up about 6 inches at the back of the cabin and about 4 inches at the back of the cockpit seats. It turned out that they are about perfect for mounting jam-cleats too. This way the tail of the rope is coming straight inboard so that I can tail while Donna cranks the winch. Thats also where I mount my down-rigger for salmon trolling. The seat backs are teak and tapered from about 1 1/4 at the bottom to 5/8 at the top. Look good, feel good, and make a usefull mount for the hardware. Dave

Edited by - Dave Laux on 11/21/2004 13:11:43

aeckhart
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Response Posted - 11/21/2004 : 16:55:39

Frank,

I noticed that you have a sheet track on the stern quarter. I assume this is for your asymetric spinnaker. It would seem to be a good idea but has it helped in controling that sail?

Al
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 11/21/2004 : 22:54:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by aeckhart
 Frank,

I noticed that you have a sheet track on the stern quarter. I assume this is for your asymetric spinnaker. It would seem to be a good idea but has it helped in controling that sail?

Al
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All the mark l and mark ll have track all the way to the back, they shortened it with the marklll and took it inboard with your mark lV. I do not have an asym but if I did that would be where I would sheet it. I do have a 140 off a Capri 25 that sheets aft of the wench due to the clew angle

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