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Lightnup
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Initially Posted - 12/27/2004 : 22:50:57

Maybe I'm wrong but does it seem there might be just a bit of understatement regarding the extent of hurricane damage on this Ft. Pierce, FL. C-25 shown [url="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4515110394&category=31271"]here[/url]?

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Steve Madden
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atgep
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Response Posted - 12/28/2004 : 00:04:28

Wow! $2500 buy it now to get a wing. If the boat is sound it could be an awesome deal. Heck, get a whole boat for the price of a new outboard! A few people have been looking at converting to a wing. This could be a huge deal.

Tom.

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Doug
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Response Posted - 12/28/2004 : 00:47:32

Maybe not. I was in Ft Pierce for 9 weeks after Francis working on claims. There were tons of boats with minor damage. Even more with no damage at all. If you can handle the shipping there's going to be deals to be had.

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 12/28/2004 : 08:29:43

I looked at the photos - the boat is definately a Mk. III and not a Mk. IV, unfortunately. It clearly does not have the lowered floor or the Mk. IV stern pulpit. Too bad, if it was a Mk. IV, it would be a fantastic deal for the asking price. Even as a Mk. III, it's a good deal, but too bad there's no trailer. On the other hand, a no-frills trailer could be bought for around $5000, so the whole package would be $7500. If the boat and equipment (and sails) are in decent shape, it might be a good deal for someone that wants a 25 wing. Out here on the West coast, if the boat was in a San Francisco Bay slip and in clean, presentable condition, it would likely bring as much as $8000, even without a trailer, next spring when boat-buying season really gets underway. One ting to be careful of though - the ad says the boat was donated to a charity, which implies that it may have "SALVAGED" permanently stamped on the title, which can make it hard to get insurance, and definately make it difficult to re-sell the boat later.

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atgep
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Response Posted - 12/28/2004 : 10:31:58

The mark 3 to 4 transition was over several small modifications. I have an 88 HN #5775 which is considered to be mk3 by most. I have the wing, mk4 interior liner with lowered floor, older deck layaout and the mk4 stern pulpit.
This boat looks to be a mk3 with a wing(factory option) and balanced rudder. It also looks like a std rig. I have a trailer in the back yard but do not need another 25 wing! I am surprised Frank gloss and the gang have not snatched this one up yet. It would be an especially great deal if it does not have a salvage title. It does not appear to have been sunk so should not be a basket case salvage boat.

Tom.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/28/2004 : 10:55:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by atgep
 ...I have an 88 HN #5775 which is considered to be mk3 by most...
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Not by me...I consider your boat to be simply an "88' Wing"!

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 12/28/2004 : 11:04:23

Hmmm..since my wife says I only have half-a-mind anyhow, I have half-a-mind to buy it, motor it over to Ft. Myers via the Okeechobee Waterway, combine the best gear from both boats onto the '87 and then sell my '82 swing keel. Hmmm. Decisions, decisions.

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At Ease
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Response Posted - 12/28/2004 : 13:38:01

Insurance may not be a problem...depends on your insurance co. As long as my boat is under 35' and less than 50 HP, the boat is covered under by house policy.

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Response Posted - 12/28/2004 : 14:28:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Lightnup
 ...I have half-a-mind to buy it,... Hmmm. Decisions, decisions.
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You may have hmmmmmm'd too long--it's sold. (...unless you bought it.)

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 12/28/2004 : 18:35:18

Gosh, How did I miss this deal. With that said, my friends and I only buy 1989 Mark IV wings. How's that for snobbishness? That should get me into most hoity toity yacht clubs.

Just kidding

Once I get Greg to join the association, that will make three of us, so I could start a fleet.

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Response Posted - 12/28/2004 : 20:33:29

Speaking of insurance. Our club is requiring proof of insurance this year, (for the first time) and the subject of home owner's policies came up. I called my Statefarm agent and he said that the coverage is liability only and only good for about a grand. I carry full coverage policies on both my boats.

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Doug
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Response Posted - 12/28/2004 : 21:46:00

Insurance things:
First- read the policy. Most HO policies will provide boat liabilty to "under 25" or "under 30" feet. Note that this is liability only. Your hull & contents under an HO policy is probably only covered to $1,000, and even then only covered for specific perils, and sinking isn't one of them.

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 12/28/2004 : 23:04:03

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Monday I owned one sailboat,
Today I own two.

I decided to go ahead and purchase the '87 wing keel C25 that was on eBay. After crawling all over it today, talking with the yard owner AND the previous owners, I couldn't hardly not buy it for the money. There was no hurricane water intrusion, but some deep gouges in the gelcoat near the starboard rubrail will need repairing.

So, basically, I'm doing a swing-to-wing conversion for less than a labor intensive real swing-to-wing conversion and getting a 5 year newer boat, roller furling and shore power to boot, things my '82 SK doesn't have.

Oh boy, time to step up my weekly tithing at BoatUS again.

Steve

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 12/28/2004 : 23:13:09

Atgep wrote: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I have a trailer in the back yard but do not need another 25 wing! <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Hey Tom...about that trailer....ever thought about what you might want to charge for a two day rental?

Steve

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 12/29/2004 : 00:45:09

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Lightnup
 
I decided to go ahead and purchase the '87 wing keel C25 that was on eBay.... roller furling ...
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Steve -
What make/model furler on the boat? From the photos it was hard to tell, but I thought it looked like a non-flexible type furler with an aluminum foil - these are a hassle if you frequently trailer the boat. Or is it a CDI Flex Furler, and the photos were just lousy?
Anyway, CONGRATULATIONS! You will love the wing keel, and the price was a no-brainer.

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oldsalt
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Response Posted - 12/29/2004 : 04:18:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by atgep
 The mark 3 to 4 transition was over several small modifications. I have an 88 HN #5775 which is considered to be mk3 by most. I have the wing, mk4 interior liner with lowered floor, older deck layaout and the mk4 stern pulpit.

Tom.
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There was in fact no real "transition" from mk3 to mk4 since the Catalina Factory recognizes no such designations. Over the course of yearly production runs various changes were introduced, some more substantial than others, but even consecutive hull numbers can vary in these details with a host of changes skipping consecutive hull numbers only to reappear again in boats coming off the line at a later date.

The way you have described your boat's layout, wing, lower floor pan, new style stern pulpit and older deck layout, only serves to confirm this.

I'd simply call your vessel an 88 wing, especially with the older deck layout, a very desirable model.

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atgep
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Response Posted - 12/29/2004 : 07:04:49

Congrats! I KNEW someonne here would buy it. The outboard and balanced rudder alone almost make it worth it! As for the trailer. It is up here in Jacksonville. Let me know what you have in mind. It might be easier to prep the boat where she lies and take her though the lake.
Anyhow, Let me know if I can be of assistance.

Tom.

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 12/29/2004 : 07:44:55

Larry - I saw the owner's manual for the furler in the documentation/log book but can't remember the make/model(DUH). You're probably right that it's the non-flexible but I won't be trailering the boat.

Tom - I've paid for yard storage through January so that will give me time to determine how I'll get her to Ft. Myers. Thanks for being willing to consider an arrangement. I'd rather motor her home on the ICW but it's a matter of time off, etc. We'll see.

Pardon my ignorance but what is the difference between the older deck layout and the newer deck layout?

Steve

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 12/29/2004 : 08:39:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Lightnup
 
Pardon my ignorance but what is the difference between the older deck layout and the newer deck layout?

Steve
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The Mk. IV redesign is easy to spot in two areas right from the dock, without even going down into the cabin:
1. The forward stanchion of the stern pulpit isn't vertical, it slopes down at about a 45 degree angle, and the top transverse bar of the pulpit is dropped in the center, with the traveller track bolted to it. Your boat has a Mk. III stern pulpit, which is obvious from the photo:

2. The Mk. IV deck layout can be detected by looking at the pop-top, at the aft outer corners. If there is a 45º chamfer on those corners, with a visible rain gutter molded into the cabin top, it is a Mk. IV. If the pop-top has a plain squared off corner and no rain gutter, it is a Mk. III. From this photo, it is clearly a Mk. III pop-top:

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/29/2004 : 11:04:40

Nice going Steve on the "87 Wing" purchase, the price is unbelievable!

It looks like it has a painted mast with internal halyards...Coool!

The roller furling is a sure bonus.

Congratulations.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 12/29/2004 : 14:48:13

Way to go Steve. Looks like you got a great deal. a man can never have too many boats.

And Larry, you sure do know your boat models. I have been lusting after a Catalina 36, are you up on those models too? Can't afford one for several years, but at least I'm starting my research early.

Good luck Steve

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oldsalt
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Response Posted - 12/29/2004 : 19:09:25

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Lightnup

Pardon my ignorance but what is the difference between the older deck layout and the newer deck layout?

Steve
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The old style "deck layout" is different from the newer "deck layout" in that the genoa track on the older layout is located outboard of the lifeline stantions directly on the toe rail and on some boats like my '83, extends much further aft almost to the transom. On some of the older deck layouts the outboard mounted genoa track doesn't extend quite as far as demonstrated by the vessel pictured. Variation is the name of the game when comparing Catalina 25 production runs.

The new style deck layout has a substantially shorter, inboard mounted genoa track.

I prefer the older style deck layout with its extended outboard genoa track but I'm sure others may disagree.

The difference between the older style cabin trunk mold for the coach roof and the new coach roof is as Larry described.

The boat pictured has a combination of the older style cabin trunk/ coach roof, stern pulpit and deck layout (although with a slightly shortened genny track) combined with the newer style, flush mounted deadlight windows rather than the older style glass deadlights mounted in aluminum frames.

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 12/30/2004 : 08:31:25

I just noticed from the photos that Steve's new "baby" has what looks like Lewmar #16ST winches - getting self-tailers on a boat that only cost $2K is a nice bonus! Neither of the Cat 25's I've owned (#1205 and #5857) came with self-tailers; I installed a pair of Lewmar #14ST's on #5857 last winter after SailNet had them on sale for a decent price that I could afford.

Happy New Year, all!

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 12/30/2004 : 15:58:09

self tailers came on my hull number 5900. They are really sweet, especially when trimming while single handing. Or sometimes one hand on the deck wench, and one on the self tailer

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 12/30/2004 : 20:04:47

Having never raised a mast or set up rigging before, this should be interesting. Gonna have to do a lot of digging through web site posts to get a clue before I take delivery.

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Response Posted - 12/30/2004 : 23:44:40

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Gloss
 ...Or sometimes one hand on the deck wench, and one on the self tailer
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Nah--too easy!

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