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Steve Raffel
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Initially Posted - 01/24/2005 :  11:58:30  Show Profile
I was at the Philadelphia boat show. I noticed the 250 there had a propane stove without the outside tank that I have on my 1999 boat. Has anyone replaced their stove with one that uses an inside tank? I was thinking of buying an alcohol stove to replace the one that came with the boat. That way I'd gain the use of the propane locker and alcohol is much safer.

I'd appreciate any comments.
Steve Raffel
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Jeff McK
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Response Posted - 01/24/2005 :  12:34:27  Show Profile
Steve,

I've got an outside propane tank in a special vented locker in the starboard cockpit lazarette, and wouldn't want one down below for obvious safety reasons.

If they put it somewhere else this is a very recent design change (I took delivery from the factory in August '04). Is it possible they simply did not have one because the boat was inside & not fully set up?

No experience with alcohol stoves on board, but it sounds like a reasonable idea to switch & get some storage space back.
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Steve Raffel
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Response Posted - 01/24/2005 :  13:22:17  Show Profile
Jeff,
I was told by the salesman that they are using a propane tank that is inside under the stove. The locker wasn't setup for an outside tank.
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Response Posted - 01/24/2005 :  14:28:38  Show Profile
It's my understanding the reason they went from alcohol/kerosene to propane was because propane is safer, when properly installed. I'm not familiar with the set up on your boat, but the WM Advisor says the propane locker (tank, solenoid valve and regulator) should be "in a vapor tight compartment separated from the interior of the boat"...which vents overboard. The system should also have a pressure guage located just after the tank, and a solenoid contol switch located in the galley in order to be able to shut off the gas immediately.

Knowing Catalina, I would surely think that your boat is equipped as recommended by all the safey gurus.

See the WM Advisor, page 872 of the 2004 Master Catalog
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Jeff McK
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Response Posted - 01/24/2005 :  15:28:05  Show Profile
Steve,

RANT ALERT!!

Ya can't put propane below without a way to continuously vent the <b> heavier than air fumes </b> over the side. That's a major safety reg that no reputable builder would dare violate unless they wanted the various regulatory groups on their backs very quickly. C-250s don't have a forced air ventilation system, so they put the tank in that locker with a passive "downhill vent" through the transom.

I just spoke to my vendor. They were at the Philly boat show, and flatly denied there was a relocation of the propane tank from the starboard lazarette on the new 250s.

I don't know who you talked to, but I must assume they gave you bad information through ignorance or were jerking your chain. What company did this person work for? I'll bet their boss would like to hear about this one as well.

Whew! Thanks for listening, and please be careful out there.
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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 01/24/2005 :  18:59:52  Show Profile  Visit aeckhart's Homepage
Steve,

If you decide to convert to alcohol I would like to purchase your propane set-up, tank, line, and all............for a reasonable price of course.

Al
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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 01/24/2005 :  19:30:04  Show Profile  Visit Arlyn Stewart's Homepage
Lots of possibilities here... Will be interesting to hear what was going on. The dedicated propane locker sure eats up prime real estate, too much for me to consider retrofitting.

I still like the coleman cans... two will last me a two week cruise using for both the galley stove and cockpit grill. There is plenty of room in the fuel locker which is vented and lower drained so I feel safe with them there and I take one below only long enough to hook up, use and when finished, it goes back to the fuel locker.
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Bubba
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Response Posted - 01/24/2005 :  21:09:26  Show Profile
The C250 I looked at during the Annapolis Boat Show last Oct. had the Seward model 1203 <u>butane</u> stove:

It was dropped into the gally counter where the earlier models had two drawers. The butane can goes under the hatch on the right.
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Steve Raffel
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Response Posted - 01/24/2005 :  21:11:57  Show Profile
I have learned that the stove they are now installing is the Seward butane stove model 1203. I guess it gets down to the relative merits of butane vs alcohol. I am going to convert to gain that starboard locker.
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johnsonp
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Response Posted - 01/24/2005 :  22:27:52  Show Profile
Steve........
Are you interested in a brand new still in box Origo 1500 1 burner alcohol stove?
paulj
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Ben - FL
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Response Posted - 01/25/2005 :  19:47:53  Show Profile  Visit Ben - FL's Homepage
I could never convert to the Seaward 1203 'cause I need my junk drawer, like every kitchen has. Then where would I put the cork screw, fondue forks, and kabob skewers?
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