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wdwjr
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Initially Posted - 02/08/2005 : 21:46:23

I have recently learned to sail and have joined a club where can use any of their boats up to 27 feet. They have three C250s.

I have been reading the forum and looking at boat ads for about six months now. Last Friday I found this one listed on Ebay (Item #4524557028). It was close to the house so I went over and took a look at it. Kinda depressing. It wasn't a 1989 as advertised but a 1978. The serial number is CTKY428M78C. From the looks of the inside its had about a foot of water standing in it for a while. The lady at the storage place said it hadn't been moved for three years. The companionway door is missing.

I am curious to hear your thoughts.

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ddlyle
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Response Posted - 02/08/2005 : 22:36:24

Looks like it needs an engine and rudder. Probably sails, standing and running rigging. I wouldn't get it. If you need those things you can easily add $4,000.

Using someone else's boats is infinitely less expensive.

Also, as you sail other boats your experience will broaden because different boats behave differently giving you better all around experience.

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Waterboy
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Response Posted - 02/09/2005 : 02:56:30

If it was a 1978 it wasn't a 250 ... prolly a C25 ... IMHO 250's aren't any better or worse than 250's ... it just depends on what you want to do with it.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 02/09/2005 : 08:09:35

Dave,
You're correct, a project boat it is. If you have the time, the equipment identified as missing is actually avaiable (rudder, sails, etc), the standing rigging is in good shape, and the price is right, why not? It looks like the hull is sound and the only real damage is water damage and mildew under the open hatch area. A couple weeks of cleaning and varnishing may bring this proud old C25 back on the water.

Al
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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 02/09/2005 : 08:17:46

wdwjr,

Get a professional survey done before committing to this boat. Depending on how deep the water in the cabin was, and for how long, there could be hidden damage to the plywood core of the cabin sole, and t the mast compression post.

Mean while, keep sailing other people's boats. Once you are paying the bills and doing the work on one of your own, you will cherish those carefree memories.

-- Leon Sisson

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 02/09/2005 : 08:25:22

I looked at the E-bay ad, which included a couple of photos. It's definately a Catalina 25 fin keel, and the mast looks to be a Standard rig. 30 people have already submitted bids, so it must be in fair condition and not a total piece of junk. Of course, with trailers being in such high demand, the trailer under this boat is by itself worth the $2500 asking price. The ad says the boat comes with 5 sails, so as long as there is no structural damage, and the interior upholstery cushions aren't rotten, I suppose the boat could be put back into service for the price of a new outboard motor. One thing to question is the standing rigging - if it's original (27 years old), it needs to be replaced ASAP and that's another $600. if the companionway hatch boards have been gone and the boat left in the open, uncovered, for a long time, I'd guess the upholstery cushions are a lost cause, so there's at least another $1000 for new upholstery. And if the boat really has had a foot of standing water in it, I would question the integrity of the primary bulkheads, and other other plywood coring down at floor level. Lastly, the Ebay ad says the seller of this boat is a charity, to whom the boat was donated, and they really know nothing about the boat or it's history, so it's "buyer beware"! Boats (or cars) that are donated to charities often have something "wrong" with them that was too expensive for the owner to repair, or that caused the insurance company to total it. The boat is located in California, but has never been registered here - it still has out-of-state (Georgia) tags on it, and that fact sends up another red flag. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the title is stamped "SALVAGED", although this is not specified in the ad. If is actually is a "salvage" boat, that fact will make it much more difficult for whoever buys it to get insurance for it, I think.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 02/09/2005 : 11:28:53

Stay away and get a C25 thats ready to sail and in decent condition for $5000 to $6000. Have it surveyed and sea trailed. There will still be plenty of work to do but you'll be starting with a sound boat.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 02/09/2005 : 11:30:44

Larry,

I'm impressed with your detective work. Very nice job. Are you planning a second career?

Al
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