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Initially Posted - 02/27/2005 : 17:00:45

Fleet 43 has come up with a great idea to host a major racing get together each racing season to include all of the fine sailors from the midwest. Our plans are to have multiple classes.

The idea came up last year during our end of the year meeting. The dates will be set and posted on Monday March 21. We will also announce the cost of the entry fee on March 21. Fleet 43 based in Syracuse, Indiana on Lake Wawasee and the SEBYC will play host to this event. This will become an annual racing event on our lake.

The race will invite sailors from the midwest, which include Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin.

The following racing classes are welcome.

Catalina 25 Standard
Catalina 25 Tall rig
250
Capri 26
Catalina 22
Open class(for Hunters, Macgregors..etc)

We will award trophies to 1st, 2nd and 3rd place in each division.

Our goal is to have this race grow each year to become something quite large. We know it will take time. But it should be a great time.

So, folks in the midwest...please keep this race in mind. The dates will be finalized at our next club meeting on March 19th. SEBYC will make available a private boat ramp, pier space for the weekend of the race and of course...partying!

Any question, you are more than welcome to email me at utvols33@yahoo.com

Kris Underwood aka Coach
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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 02/27/2005 : 17:35:57

Not that I'm in the midwest, nor would I have a way to transport my boat if I was, but I can't help wonder why do you include the Capri 26 but not the 25? Are they that different or that different of a class of boat?

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Response Posted - 02/27/2005 : 18:00:41

Coach - have you thought about holding this event a few days before or after our Nationals? Some of the folks might like to do both!
Derek

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Response Posted - 02/27/2005 : 18:07:34

Those dates are definately up in the air. It could be a possibility. In the state of Indiana we have to put in for the weekends that we are interested in having the race with the DNR. I will check with our race committeeman and see if he has gotten final approval yet.

I am thinking though that the initial date was sometime in June. I'll get back to you soon on that. We could possibly change the dates if the DNR would permit us to do so.

Edited by - coach on 02/27/2005 18:07:58

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Response Posted - 02/27/2005 : 22:35:23

To me those are mid-north states which is pushing it.
What happend to N&S Dakota, Minnesota, Iowa, Kansas, Missouri and Nebraska?
Even Arkansas and Oklahoma are more mid-west than the states you mention though I guess we're considered southern, which is ok with me.
Not to be a wet blanket but if you're going to catagorize this race to a certain geographic area of the states maybe it should be that area and not something round about that area.
I'm sure people in the western states wouldn't appreciate a race being called Western if the only states included were Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky and Missouri. IMHO
Its not I don't thinks its a good idea but I think your leaving out groups who are actually from the mid-west. Unless this is an open invitation to whoever wants to come.

Edited by - Charlie Vick on 02/27/2005 23:01:54

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Response Posted - 02/28/2005 : 00:12:35

Charlie, I understand your point of view. Our idea is to include folks to come race together once a year from our geographical area. The term "midwest" to the folks in the great lakes region usually covers Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin and Illinois. As an example, from one of the history books I am currently reading for a course that I am taking. It considers the midwest as these states. States west of Illinois are considered more central states. I think it just depends on the point though. Watching the Weather Channel tonight would be another example...while talking about the weather in our area, they described it as the midwest and when they began discussing the weather in Missouri, Nebraska and Kansas...they described this part as the central.

This is the first year of the race. The idea came up as a group last summer and we decided to pursue holding the races each summer. The goal would be for the entries to increase as the years go on. We plan on sitting down on March 19th and finalizing the race date, setting the parameters to which we would like to see people compete.

I can safely say this, that if someone was that interested in coming from a farther distance...we would never tell that particular racer that they are not welcome. The goal was to increase sailboat racing in the "midwest" portion of the U.S. We sent a boat to a big race in Detroit last year(Meinert) and they showed great interest in bringing some boats down to the race this summer. We also spoke with folks from the Chicago area that have interest in coming down for the race as well.

But the term midwest to the folks in this area usually ends at either the Miss. River boundary. Anything west of that is definately considered "central U.S." to our area.

It is absolutely nothing against folks from Kansas or Mizzou or the Dakota's.

I will bring this up at our March 19th meeting and see where it goes. I think our philosophy is more...we dont care if you come from West Dakota, South Nebraska or North Idaho...if you want to race...you come, you put your mast up, you crack open a cold one and you enjoy yourself!

The details will be finalized and more info will be released March 21st. After receiving and email from our race committee chairman. May 21st appears to be the date for the races.

I would hope that folks in other parts of the country would follow us in putting together more larger scale races. Outside of the nationals, there are not many options other than our fleet race schedule.

If someone from outside of our originally area is interested in possibly racing in this event. Please feel free to email me.

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Response Posted - 02/28/2005 : 07:20:08

The Midwest designation is a hold over from colonial days, a time when the Ohio river was the frontier. It doesn't take a cartographer to see the states are Mideast. I accept Central for u, making Colorado, Utah, Wyoming and Montana are the real midwest.

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Response Posted - 02/28/2005 : 07:56:10

Maybe we need to look at changing the name to the Mideast sailing championships. We are not doing this to upset people. We are doing this to get more racers to our area to enjoy our club, our fleet and our lake. The reasoning is there at least for a name change like this. Even if we were to change the name to something other than the midwest. We would still love to see other racers from nearby states travel and take part in the races.

I dont care if we end up calling it the Dr Pepper Leath Furniture Miller lite Mideastwestern Great Lakes south of Canada sailing championships. I just want people to come and enjoy themselves. Then again, if we have all those sponsors...I would expect ESPN 2 to cover the puppy!

Anyone else have any thoughts on this? Ideas are welcome. As I said in an earlier post. This is the first year for the race. We want a great successful race, so ideas are more than welcome.

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Response Posted - 02/28/2005 : 08:32:14

The name doesn't matter. Iditarod has a nice ring to it.

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Response Posted - 02/28/2005 : 09:49:59

Sorry Coach I didn't mean to go off on you last night.
I think what you're doing is a great idea and I hope you can get a lot of folks interested in coming.
I reckon whatever anybody does to promote C25's & 250's is good for the association as a whole and I appreciate your efforts.

Edited by - Charlie Vick on 02/28/2005 09:52:52

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Response Posted - 02/28/2005 : 11:56:53

to all in this topic and especlly the operating officers.
if you'll stand back and look at the discusstion , you will realize the class is starting to take on momentum.

my comments to all who are trying to decide what is the midwest will be offered as a challenge.

why don't you concider the indiana fleet as a starting point to set up several regattas throughout the centered states ( notice how i avoided using the term midwest?

no one said this area could not have more than one championship.
i belong to a bbq association that has every reason and name possible to have an event.
your the one that can come up with a title that would enhance others to particpate.....

with all the enthusism shown here there is no reason we couldn't have all your locations mentioned as some championship.

you know, if you try this it will definetly add particpation to the class.

this is what we have been looking to find for many years.

have at it, let's show other catalina 25'ers that we do have an active association.

i dare anyone to list another midwest event for 2005!!!!!!!

there is that midwest word

dave holtgrave
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Response Posted - 02/28/2005 : 12:14:39

Dave,
I think the goal of having as many events as possible is wonderful. I hope Catalina owners are a close nit group wherever people sail, and I hope Catalina owners participate in as many events as possible. As a national association we need to be aware that trailering a boat like our is significant and that most people will not do it lightly. One national event a year provides the maximum impetus to get on the road and go somewhere. Anything that competes with that will reduce the participation and significance of our nationals. So in my mind there is a fine line between promoting local and regional events and reducing the nationals to a traveling regional event. Would Texans come to Kansas if there was another Catalina 25 event in Texas during the same year? Probably not. So I hope we can promote as much participation in as many events as possible and I hope we all remember there is only one nationals and when it comes within driving distance we hope you will make it a priority in your summer schedule.

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Response Posted - 02/28/2005 : 12:19:41

To me, "midwest" simply means that the site of the regatta is in the midwest, and Indiana is definitely in the midwest. It doesn't mean that only midwesterners can participate. The club that is sponsoring the regatta and doing all the work has the right to decide whether their regatta will be open to all or only to people from a certain geographical area. It's their "party."

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Response Posted - 02/28/2005 : 13:37:40

Frank wrote: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> The name doesn't matter. Iditarod has a nice ring to it.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Frank - Considering that Iditarod has 2 definitions: 1.) clear water, and 2.) distant place, the name is appropriate for a multi-state sailboat event. How about Iditaregatta?

Steve

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Response Posted - 02/28/2005 : 13:38:20

I am taking notes on everything that is posted on this topic. The more ideas the better!

If we come to the conlusion to just keep the sailors from specific states...then I would hope that sailors in other areas would be interested in putting together a race for states in their geographical area. But everyone needs to keep in mind that the Nationals are that..the big cheese...the top dog...the big kahuna!

We could host the midwest championships..maybe somebody in Texas could host the southwestern championship, someone in oregon could host the western championships...or call them whatever they wanted.

Now, I am curious about who on this board would be interested in coming to northeast Indiana on the weekend of May 21st and race. This could give us a good idea of where to start, where to make our boundries, number of racers interested.

Another idea that I like, would be to have our own America's Cup type of racing. This is something that would not tie into the nationals at all. Where we could have a traveling cup. One captain and crew could challenge another sailor and his crew. I know this is just up in the air, but I am just trying to come up with more ideas to get more folks involved in racing. I have no idea how it could be set up. Since the nationals are for individual racers. Maybe we could come up with a cup that could be battled for by each fleet.

Lets say during the initial race, the fleet from Oregon would win. Then they could be challenged by fleet 43. A series of races with a captain and at least 4 crew members who must be members of the fleet or club. If more than one fleet wanted to challenge...then the fleets who want to challenge must compete against each other for the right to knock off the cup holders.

I'm just throwing ideas out here. Anybody jump on and help expand.

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Response Posted - 02/28/2005 : 16:03:41

All of which reminds me of when I was a young feller in the Army going to a school in Massachusetts and a guy I met said he was from way out west (Ohio). That really cracked me up as I grew up on the beach in California.

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Response Posted - 02/28/2005 : 16:36:59

We here in Kansas get very little respect. We really are the Midwest but only we call ourselves that and, we are the only people who know how to pronounce Arkansas.

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Response Posted - 02/28/2005 : 16:45:37

Listen, the state of Kansas would get more respect if your mens college team at KU did not lose three games in a row last week!

and its Ar-kansas...right?

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Response Posted - 03/01/2005 : 08:30:21

Sorry about getting into this a little late but.......a few years ago somenone proposed the idea of having Association sanctioned regional championships prepratory to the nationals. Winners would then go on to compete in the nationals. The idea died on the vine, I guess because it's difficult to get anything but local participation at the nationals anyway. Frank is right, travel is the obvious problem. Perhaps the Association should consider having regional events such as that proposed by Kris and Fleet 43, in various sections of the country, and have the National Championships the following year. After all, the Americas's Cup occurs every four years. In this way travel would be limited to one long trailer-trip per year, the best sailers in each region would participate in the Nationals (although others may race as well I suppose), and we could still have the Nationals in diffierent parts of the country.

Although I am now focused on cruising, and would like to see more Catalina 25/250 cruise gatherings, I still race on occasion and want to sail the nationals at some point, if for any reason than to meet some of you guys and gals on the hoof. The only problems I see with the above suggestion is the increased administration involved (not insurmountable),and winning regionally commits you to sailing in the Nationals. If you live in Maine and have to race in California....well, that could be one heck-of-a trailering trek.

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Response Posted - 03/01/2005 : 13:35:55

Sorry , but I can't conceive of the central states being west of the mid-western states,but then what would you expect of an easterner.

Now I don't have a map of the states before me but I can live with the notion of dividing the country in two with the Ole Miss being the line doing the work. East to the east and west to the west of said line. Central might have some of either side of center. Something like the time zones. Then that leaves us with mid west. It might be an area west of the central zone and east of western zone

...I'm getting a headache think I'll go lie down for awhile.

Val on the hard in eastern USA DAGNABIT

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Response Posted - 03/01/2005 : 14:12:55

....hope Winter is over with real soon.

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Response Posted - 03/02/2005 : 08:25:43

AMEN to that Mark

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Response Posted - 03/02/2005 : 10:35:15

Now those of us in the Midwest consider Colorado, Wyoming and Montana to still be in the Midwest. Idaho, Utah and Nevada are in the West. Anything east of the river is EAST. Of course you all know what the river is!!!!!!

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Response Posted - 03/03/2005 : 09:34:31

Coach,

Great idea, regardless of the name discussion!

I'd encourage you to include the Capri 25 as a class for the event.

Keep up the good work.

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Response Posted - 03/03/2005 : 12:35:39

Don, it has been noted. The more classes = more boats to race at our event.

We are putting the finishing touches on the race. With a meeting on March 19th to finalize
our plans. I will put post the official info on that following Monday.

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