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tapinkham
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Initially Posted - 03/31/2002 : 09:46:42

Happy Easter!

I am replacing the boots on my speaders. It looks as though the speader was just taped to the stay. There are wires wrapped around the stay as well but they don'tseem to do much.
Is this the correct setup? Any idea what kind of tape to use if that is the right thing to do?

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Tim
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Mark Maxwell
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Response Posted - 03/31/2002 : 12:07:22

I like rigging tape. It doesn't have a sticky backing to attract dirt but holds to it self well. It's a true friction tape.

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capfrank
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Response Posted - 03/31/2002 : 12:22:47

Reading your post, worries me. Stainless steel seizing wire needs to be run through the tip of the spreader and around the mast head shroud. The "spreader" was NOT just taped to the stay. The "wires" you mention do plenty, in keeping YOUR RIG upright. The compression forces on the spreaders and huge. I am sure, before you step the mast, you will consider twice, and inspect 3 times, the integrity of this arrangement. The reason I am not totally sure of the exact set up, is that last winter,working as a rigger, I un-stepped about 78 keel stepped and some deck stepped masts, and have seen many different stay - spreader attachment methods, that I am not positive of the exact set up you have. If you have ANY doubts, contact me.

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Mark Maxwell
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Response Posted - 03/31/2002 : 13:02:35

I may have miss understood your post. I thought you were asking what to use to hold the new spreader boots on. In that case the tape I mentioned is fine but the boot does not hold the stay shroud to the spreader. It only protects your sail from snagging on that which should be holding the stay to the spreader. On mine, the stay is held in a slot at the end of the spreader with a cotter pin. I've seen stainless wire used there as well. Either way be sure to have that inspected if you are not confident in it's attachment.

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tapinkham
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Response Posted - 03/31/2002 : 14:11:39

Yes, my concern is that there does not seem to be anything holding the stay to the end of the speader. The small wire goes through the end of the speader and wraps around the stay but nothing really holds it there.
At any rate it's a great day to be working outside on the boat!

Thanks for the advice.

Tim Pinkham

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Rick Heaverly 86 C25 5382
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Response Posted - 03/31/2002 : 19:35:29

Tim,

The seizing wire is very important. That's what keeps the stay in the spreader. It should be wrapped around figure eight pattern at least three times. Don't make it so tight that the stay cannot slide up and down a bit. You need a little room for movement when there is pressure on the rig. Then cover with the boot and tape the boot with rigging tape. If in doubt have someone from the boatyard take a look at it.

Rick Heaverly

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Doug L
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Response Posted - 03/31/2002 : 23:02:43

Hi,

I'm doing the same project on my boat, and am now a little confused. My spreaders have plastic endcaps with slots. I'm doing this from memory now, but my stays have wire wrapped around them, and the endcap. One of these wires has broken on one of the spreaders on my mast. I can see where the stay could come out of the slot if the mast was down, but with it up and tensioned, no way could it come out...or could it... when you are tacking, and the tension is off on that side? Anyway, I need to replace the broken wire; I imagine its available at West Marine? Mark, how does the cotter pin arrangement work? It sounds like that might be easier.

Thanks, Doug

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Mark Maxwell
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Response Posted - 04/01/2002 : 10:19:07

Hi Doug,
The end cap on my spreader is aluminum. It has a slot that the stay sets in. With the stay in place a roll pin is inserted through the slot capturing the stay. The end cap is then held in the spreader with a cotter pin. My mast is down now but I am at work. I'll take a picture tomarrow.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/01/2002 : 11:36:09

If anyone has purchase new spreaders the caps are plastic. There is a hole drilled into the spreader for wiring. The cotter pin that is on the original in not existent in the new equipment.

The upper shroud (not stays)should thread through the groove on the endcap and be wired into place with stainless steel wire. Figure eights work fine but you can use whatever method you want.

The key is to make sure that the shroud will not come out of the groove, this is more of a cotter pin like function, since the forces on the shroud should keep it in place and the forces are normally not (read hardly if ever) put on the wire. If Someone has not used the wire as a precaution in the past, don't worry, you didn't break anything. It is strictly a precautionary measure.

You still want the shroud to be able to move or slide through the groove.

DW

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Greg Jackson
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Response Posted - 04/01/2002 : 19:55:15

Been there, done that. If I ever have to do it again I would do it quite differently. The new boots were a white rubber and they would really stick on the genoa with each tack. The old ones were probably 8 years old and starting to crack.

Next time I will buy the new boots and sit them out in the sun for a year before I put them on the spreaders. After a year in the sun they get a dry surface and the sail will slide over them just fine.

GTJ

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Doug L
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Response Posted - 04/01/2002 : 22:21:12

Thanks, Mark for the information. Since my spreaders have plastic endcaps, I think I'll use SS wire wrapped like Duane And Rick explained. Duane, thanks for the correction on "upper shroud" instead of stay. Last summer, the guy who was showing me how to sail my Catalina, would have a fit when I called "sheets", "ropes". He threatend to use one of the few "ropes" that were on ships...the Hangman's Noose, if I didn't shape up.

Doug

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/02/2002 : 08:09:04

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Been there, done that. If I ever have to do it again I would do it quite differently. The new boots were a white rubber and they would really stick on the genoa with each tack. The old ones were probably 8 years old and starting to crack.

Next time I will buy the new boots and sit them out in the sun for a year before I put them on the spreaders. After a year in the sun they get a dry surface and the sail will slide over them just fine.

GTJ

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Greg,

Have you tried the suede boots that you stitch on? We don't use them on the 25 but the owner of the two boats I race swears by them. You put them on with a herringbone stitch and don't even have to tape at all. (although we throw a wrap on for good measure)

DW

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/02/2002 : 16:15:01

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Do those boots come in blue ?
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Funny Ken, or is it Val or maybe Bristle?

Duane Wolff
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