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JimB517
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Initially Posted - 03/08/2005 : 13:40:44

Needed PHRF Standard Rig + spinnaker (fin)
PHRF Standard Rig no spinnaker (fin)
PHRF Tall Rig (wing)

I want the PHRF / Southern California (PHRF/SC) base Off-Wind Course ratings (OWC).

By the way, here are the adjustments used by NOSA.

Inboard engine
folding / feathering prop 0
two blade fixed +6
three blade fixed +9

Headsail
standard dacron 155 0
> 155 dacron -6
Undersized dacron (140 - 154) +6
Small dacron (<140) +9
Any laminate -6

Main
dacron / leach battens 0
dacron / full battens -3
any laminate -6

Gear
furling headsail +6
furling main +9
racing foil non furling -6

Spinnaker / Gennaker
standard dacron 0
oversized -6
any laminate -6

Could be an idea for PHRF Combined Nationals (C25, 250, Tall, Capri)

Here's what we are planning to do (an email sent to Fleet 7). Sounds like fun.

Last night in the Newport-Ensenada pre-race seminar, we were told that the race is won at night. Anybody can put up a spinnaker and fly downwind during the day. But at night, in darkness and light air it takes a lot of skill to keep the boat moving.

Skills we don't have.

So we need to have a practice race AT NIGHT !!

Lets pick a weekend and make sure Gary can make it down on Saturday. Ken should try to have Fernando come and Charlie, you should try to make it, too. Ken, Fernando and Charlie can crew Endeavor and race against Indiscipline and Classical Cat.

What we will do is leave about 3 PM on Saturday and sail upwind as far as we can get - probably in the Del Mar area. We can sail around La Jolla cove or something like that. The race can start at 6 PM from the bouys marking the marine sanctuary off La Jolla back to Mission Bay. It should be a down wind race starting at dusk and finishing between the red bouy and the south jetty well after dark.

This would be almost a direct rehearsal for what is likely to be the most challenging part of the Newport - Ensenada race. Downwind, at night, in light air.

Oh yeah, lets eat dinner (or at least a snack) while coming down. We have to be prepared to spend Friday, Saturday, and until Sunday morning at sea for the race so that includes sleeping, eating, and everything.

I'm going to fly my spinnaker
I'll apply actual PHRF ratings and calculate everyone's corrected times (just for fun).

Indiscipline 1978 FK SR #398

Edited by - JimB517 on 03/08/2005 17:09:16

takokichi
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Response Posted - 03/08/2005 : 17:47:13

My FK/SR rates -

135 basic rating with chute.
154 is the rating we sail under based on no chute and recreational handicap adjustment.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 03/08/2005 : 19:04:22

Jim - we are prety much "middle-of-the-road" when it comes to PHRF. We rate the TRFK 222, TRSK 222, the SRFK 228 and the SRSK 228. These are ratings for both Non-Spin and Spinnaker fleets. We have no WK's racing so have no numbers for them.
Derek
PHRF Committee, PHRF of the Alamo (Canyon Lake)

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takokichi
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Response Posted - 03/08/2005 : 22:12:14

I like my numbers better!!

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 03/09/2005 : 04:13:35

Jim, SEEING is important at night. I have done a few overnight races, including a 200 mile race from the Columbia River up to Victoria last summer. I went nuts because the Ericson 27 we were on had no light at the masthead to even see the vane. I would have killed for wind instruments with lighted dials. I HAVE run an asym in the ocean overnight when others were pulling down big chutes. This was in really decent air however, and I made big gains. So much easier to run the asym on a bit of a reach at night.
On the Ericson, we resorted to taping flashlights to the mast to see the reflection on the vane...and to see sails. What a pain. I was on the helm all night the last night and thought my neck would kill me. 10 hours of looking straight up!

Good luck!

Gary B.
s/v Encore! SK/SR #685

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 03/09/2005 : 10:09:59

Gary, a few months ago Oscar wrote an article about his trip from the Chesapeake to Florida, and he talked about a head light made by Rayovac that operates for about 200 hours on 4 AA batteries. I bought one for about $15. and they put out alot of light. From your description, it sounds like it would be a big help for night racing, especially with a spinnaker. It leaves your hands free and has hi, low and red light settings. If each crew member had one, they would, collectively, light up alot of the deck and sails.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 03/09/2005 : 11:32:51

Steve, those "head lights" are a great suggestion.

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SJ
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Response Posted - 03/09/2005 : 14:07:22

Remember that you are racing...HUGE gains can be made at night, especially in stelth mode...I have done my fair share of night racing from local overnights to Newport/Bermudas. Bets thing to do is keep a low light flashlight handy and check the windex every once in a while as well as proper trim. Mostly use the compass as your guide. The wind will always change slightly, but remember that most night races are long distance and not round the mark type. So your heading is vital...You'll feel the boat when it really need attention. As for the kite, trade off frequently because it gets awfully tiresome at night. I've actually fallen asleep wedged in the stays while racing to Bermuda...Big wave woke me up!!!!
Use the darkness to your advantage...you can sneak around a bit especially when you are trying to shake another boat......

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 03/10/2005 : 13:57:28

I'm really excited about the race and we're planning a Fleet 7 night race as practice the evening and night of April 2.

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