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jm
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Initially Posted - 04/17/2002 : 12:32:35

1982 Cat25 fk/tr - traveller bar lag bolt/screw on port side has worked itself loose (but not completely off/out) - is the only way to
access it to re-tighten it, to create a hole in the cockpit/transom area or can it be reached through the port locker area ? Any tricks or secrets mucho appreciated.

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 04/17/2002 : 12:41:48

Have you had a look with a mirror. Look into the back section of the port locker. If the locker is cleaned out you should be able to climb down into it and have a good oggle. How did the Catalina company originaly get that hardware in there to begin with ????

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jm
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Response Posted - 04/17/2002 : 13:24:31

I think they put the traveller on before the deck was joined to the hull. Or they had a contortionist on staff.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/17/2002 : 13:28:52

I am speaking only from memory, but as I recall, the stanchions n that area have a threaded metal piece glassed into the transom. I know those are unreachable so my guess would be the traveler bar is as well. It is farther inward than the stanchion. If I were to pick a spot that it may be accesible, I would take a mirror and a flashlight under the quarterberth and try to look upward? I am fairly certain though that it is glassed in.

DW

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Rick Heaverly 86 C25 5382
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Response Posted - 04/18/2002 : 08:28:56

If it is glassed-in, can you take a dremmel tool and cut away the glass to get at the nut?

Rick Heaverly

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/18/2002 : 10:06:09

If it is completely glassed in, there may not be a nut. Again, I can't say for certain. You might want to call the factory direct or call Catalina Direct. Both of those guys have probably had this problem before.

dw

Duane Wolff
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OJ
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Response Posted - 04/18/2002 : 10:40:45

jm,
Please share your findings with us as I'm sure you're not the last one that will have this problem.

Steve Madsen
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jm
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Response Posted - 04/22/2002 : 09:12:43

After discussion with Catalina Tech Support, it seems the only way to access the nut that holds the traveller bar in place, is to cut a small hole (1.5") directly in front of where the traveller bar attaches to the top of the transom, on the cockpit side, and then use a box wrench to tighten it. Then put a metal plate or the like over the new hole, and seal with 101. (not 5200, in case you ever need to go back in).

The traveller bar is installed on the transom before the deck is attached to the hull.

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Response Posted - 04/22/2002 : 10:53:18

jm,
Thanks for sharing your info. Have you considered drilling a larger hole in the transom in the gas locker and using a socket + extension? You could then install an inspection plate.
Maybe others who have made this repair but missed this thread will see it and reply.

Steve Madsen
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Metoac
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Response Posted - 04/22/2002 : 14:14:55

My friend has a 1978 C-25 that he had the same problem with. He told me he was able to access the nut without cutting any holes. He used a 3/8in. drive socket with a 12inch extension and a 3/4inch crowsfoot instead of a socket. The crowsfoot was used due to the fact there was not clearance on all sides of the loose 3/4inch nut.

Ted

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Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/22/2002 : 14:50:27

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The crowsfoot was used due to the fact there was not clearance on all sides of the loose 3/4inch nut.
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The what?? <img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>

BTW, if there's a lack of clearance on one side of the nut, you might be able to jam a long stick or something up into the "non-clearance" to hold the nut, and then crank down the bolt from the top. If you can get to the nut, you might want to replace it with a nylock--if it isn't one already.

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 SR-FK #5032 "Passage" in CT

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John Mason
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Response Posted - 04/22/2002 : 15:05:22

Dave,
I think a "crow's foot" is a thing that looks like the end of an open end wrench, but instead of a handle it has just a square hole on a stub for a socket driver to fit into.

John Mason - Ali Paroosa
1982 - FK/SR #3290

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gnorgan
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Response Posted - 04/24/2002 : 00:23:36

Maybe this is harder than I think it is but why not just cut the *&^%% thing off the transom, have some stainless tubing welded across from on stanchion to the other, mount some travel car rail on top of this, then buy a good Harken (or other brand) traveler car and be done with ever having to find the blankity-blank nuts again!!! This would look like the 1989 traveler arrangement....you can take a look at mine in the tech section where I wrote a piece about installing my Navico Tillerpilot...you'll see my traveler arrangement in the first picture there.
Just my "humble opinion", of course <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>
Gary Norgan

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/24/2002 : 08:22:22

I agree with Gary.

If you aren't racing the boat one design, rig something new (and way nicer than whatever butler rigged up!!) It will be easier to operate. It won't hurt your PHRF rating or your resale value, as a matter of fact, it will probably increase your resale value. And if someone won't buy the boat because they can't race one design, be a good sailor and steer them toward the J 24 Fleet.

DW

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Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/24/2002 : 09:53:09

I hear ya, JM... My CFO would laugh--she wants CANVAS! (The kind that shades from the sun.) All else is superfluous.

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 SR-FK #5032 "Passage" in CT

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/24/2002 : 12:08:49

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Excellent idea guys! - I will print your suggestions and present them to my household money manager and see if she will advance the funds for a new harken traveller system.

Then I'll cut the hole in the transom to tighten the nut.
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JM -

Call your local boatyards, I bet some moron ran aground that had a halfway decent traveller system you could salvage. Minney's might have something too.

I have another idea though, we installed a light like this in our cockpit in a different spot.
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/commerce/command/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=201&prrfnbr=105844&store_num=9&store_name=Electrical&subdept_num=488&subdept_name=Exterior%20%26%20Navigation%20Lighting&class_num=491&class_name=Deck%20Lights&outlet=
Maybe if you were to cut the hole (these are pretty small) you could run the wire and make the hole at least functional. we put the switch for this in the sail locker. It is great for night sailing or just sitting at the dock at night, just to add a little lighting for whatever the need.

dw

Duane Wolff
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/24/2002 : 15:47:05

You should be fine on the clearance Clarence! Let me know if it won't fit, I have other ideas too.

Duane Wolff
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gnorgan
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Response Posted - 04/25/2002 : 01:23:22

Duane, that light idea is excellent....in fact, I was hanging upside down just last night, in the dark, looking at some of the wiring (also hanging there), using a flashlight, when it suddenly dawned (dusked?) on me that a light in the locker was needed.

JM, didn't mean to get your CFO upset with you, just a friendly suggestion. I've never been a fan of the old type of crossbar on the C25...but then I bought my 89 used...and the crossbar setup was already there...easy for me to spend YOUR money for you <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

My CFO also wants canvas, Bristle, for this summers heat / sun. Getting tired of frying I guess. Many boat bucks will be spent on this bimini thing I am afraid <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>
Gary

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/25/2002 : 11:28:35

The light cover sticks out no less than 1/2 inch. This is a very big estimate. I would say it is actually around a quarter or maybe less.

Duane Wolff
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