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are the capri lines stronger than ours?

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77Gypsy
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Initially Posted - 07/12/2005 : 12:17:06

i was curious about the capri models. since they are designed more for racing, are they built stronger? I worry when i'm pushing gypsy in 4 foot waves and 20knt winds.

Steve
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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 07/12/2005 : 12:43:59

I'm slipped next to a Catalina 25. What I don't know is what is original on either boat. with that in mind, these are my observations. All my sheets and subsequently the blocks, are a larger diameter with respect to their use, ie. my jib sheets are bigger than the jib sheets on the Cat 25. My traveler is not only longer, but it appears to be a more robust unit. My winches are significantly larger, my cabin top winches are larger than the Cat 25 jib winches! The rigging hardware appears to be closer to the 27 on my Capri. That said, the Capri has a cored hull as opposed to the solid hull of the Cat 25, the original portlights are from the same manufacturer. The boom and mast are a completely different design, but as most know, so much of this depends on what year a boat was built as it seems different vendors were used at different times. I'd worry too if I was in my Capri in 4 foot waves and 20 knot winds, but more about my ability to handle than the boats. I think that your Cat 25 would be significantly more stable than my Capri in that situation, but it would be a great ride in either boat!

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 07/12/2005 : 17:55:21

Your Catalina 25 also weighs about 3000 lbs more. That weight is in the hull (no cored hull). The Catalina 25 is plenty strong enough for 4 foot waves and 20 knots of wind (reefed of course).

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Response Posted - 07/14/2005 : 04:32:57

Steve,

I can only imagine, not owning a Capri but taking everone's word on it, that a brand new racing-version of any 25footer will be built tougher than a brand new production-version of the same.

Allowing for my ignorance of other boats in general, please make the leap with me that concerning boats like ours (Hey Jude is 23years old) it is the age and condition that is most significant today.

My buddy Paul and me sail our '78 and '82 25's in a rough area, SF Bay. The conditions change drastically sometimes hour-to-hour and depending on where in the bay you are. Paul and I have been toughening up our boats ever since we got them by replacing standing rigging, new backer-plates, chain-plates, upgraded stem fitting with strap, bigger halyards and sheets, reinforced and three pintle-gudgeons, upgraded traveler lines, etc. For sails, we have reinforced batten pockets, two reefs, flattening reefs. And spares...lots of spares...and tools to fix stuff underway.

I believe our boats were designed on the tough side to begin with. It is for safety and peace of mind that we should continue to work them up stronger.

Jim Williams
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SF Bay (Denmark until Sept 5)

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 07/14/2005 : 08:27:24

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jwilliams
 ... upgraded stem fitting with strap...
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Is this a retrofit part available from Catalina? I used to worry a little about the stem fitting on my '79 (#1205), when I would compare it to the much beefier one on other people's '86-'90 boats. How difficult is it to install? The new owner of #1205 might be interested in retrofitting the heavy-duty stem fitting, since he will maybe be racing the boat next year.

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Response Posted - 07/14/2005 : 08:31:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JimB517
 Your Catalina 25 also weighs about 3000 lbs more.
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Wow! Does the Capri 25 really weigh 3000# less than a Catalina 25, or are you exagerating the difference somewhat? If the difference is really 3000, that would mean that a Capri 25 weighs only 2000#, and I find that hard to believe. The Catalina 22 weighs more than that, and it's a much smaller boat.

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Response Posted - 07/14/2005 : 10:48:47

Capri 25 weighs in at 2650 I think....that is indeed about 3000 lbs less.

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 07/14/2005 : 11:12:37

Step on the side deck of a Capri sometime...bobs like a cork (or a Hunter).

They are definitely made to be raced.

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 07/14/2005 : 12:00:38

The Capri 25 specifications list the total weight at 2950 pounds. Once you add gear, that goes up, same as a Cat 25. The keel ballast is listed at 900 pounds. Draft is listed in the specs at 4' 2". The Cat 25 is without a doubt a much more stabile boat.

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Response Posted - 07/15/2005 : 11:14:54

We had some one visiting at our dock with a pretty new Capri 26

Looked like a GREAT boat. I wish I got invited to sail her.

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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 07/15/2005 : 11:19:01

Hi All,

Here's the specs related to the C25 and the Capri 25. I think you'll see that the Capri is certainly a racer. The Capri 25 was Catalina's answer to the J24, Santana 25 etc.

Specs:
Catalina 25 Fixed Keel Standard Rig
LOA = 25' 0"
LWL = 22' 2"
Beam = 8' 0"
Draft = 4' 0"
Ballast = 1,900 lbs
Displacement = 4,550 lbs
Sail Area = 270 sq ft (295 sq ft tall rig)
PHRF (during the '80s while production was still ongoing) 228 std 222 tall

Capri 25
LOA = 24' 7"
LWL = 19' 2"
Beam = 9' 2"
Draft = 4' 2"
Ballast = 900 lbs
Displacement = 2,785lbs
Sail Area = 276 sq ft
PHRF (during the '80s while production was still ongoing) 174

A close friend of mine used to own a Capri 25 and I would crew occasionally in races. We would generally end the first upwind leg in the middle of the pack. But as soon as we could hoist that huge masthead spinnaker, we'd start picking off boats as we planed past them on the reaches. I don't remember getting any first places - but a lot of seconds and thirds.

Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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