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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 08/04/2005 : 11:17:36

Hi Arlyn,

That requirement has not changed.

III. MEMBERSHIP:

A. Regular Member: A Regular Member shall be defined as the owner or part owner of a Yacht that joins the Association, is a Corinthian (i.e., amateur of high integrity), and whose membership dues are paid current.

"Yacht" is defined in Article II, Section B (i.e., Catalina 25, Catalina 250, Capri 25).

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Response Posted - 08/04/2005 : 11:35:51

Thanks JB... could you post that article II?

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 08/04/2005 : 11:39:55

Here's the wholly inclusive part of the excerpt:

CONSTITUTION AND BY-LAWS

I. NAME: All Catalina Built 25 Class Association

II. OBJECTIVES: The purpose of the All Catalina Built 25 Class Association (“Association”) is

A. The promotion of the enjoyment of ownership, cruising and racing of 25’ LOA sloops built by Catalina Yachts.

B. The fair and reasonable maintenance of the value of Catalina 25, Catalina 250 and Capri 25 sloops (collectively “Yachts” and individually “Class”) through communication, education and the dissemination of information.

C. The promotion of cruising and social activities that encourage fellowship amongst members through the development of local and regional All Catalina Built 25 Class Fleets (“Fleet”).

D. The promotion of design class racing under uniform rules and regulations that will test the skill of skipper and crew through the establishment of design standards and specifications that ensure competition between boats of similar design and performance in all essential areas, such as hull lines, weights, and sail plans.

E. The cooperation with other yachting and racing organizations in the observance of, and compliance with, the rules and regulations of the Association.

F. The sanctioning, sponsorship, promotion, and coordination of an annual National Championship Regatta (“Nationals”) when such event is bid upon and held by a Fleet (Article VII).

III. MEMBERSHIP:

A. Regular Member: A Regular Member shall be defined as the owner or part owner of a Yacht that joins the Association, is a Corinthian (i.e., amateur of high integrity), and whose membership dues are paid current.

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 08/04/2005 : 11:48:49

Thanks JB for pointing out that we have not changed the membership requirements for regular membership. Own a 25' built Catalina yacht and pay dues. that was what was required before and will be required if the proposed by-laws are approved. The changes made make it possible for the Capri 25 folks to be regular members of the association.

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Response Posted - 08/04/2005 : 13:18:21

Arlyn,

That might have been an oversight. We did have some discussion as to phrasing for that section. Let me check with the officers and with my notes and see why this reads as it does.

dw

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Response Posted - 08/04/2005 : 13:27:36

I didn't realize the thread moved on to two pages. Otherwise I would have realized that JB replied and wouldn't have.

dw

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Response Posted - 08/04/2005 : 17:09:06

I would like to suggest that many of the more controversial proposals be voted on individually rather then as a package.

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 08/04/2005 : 17:56:32

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rclift
 I would like to suggest that many of the more controversial proposals be voted on individually rather then as a package.
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Hi Ray,

In direct answer to your question - not very easily because the Constitution and By-Laws are a holistic document containing many cross-references. Therefore, a complete redraft is generally required to effect most changes. However, we can certainly entertain any proposal, and with enough time before the ballot is published attempt to modify the document.

Indirectly related to your question - at this time, I don't believe that we've identified any controversial issues associated with the Constitution and By-Laws. I expect controversial issues will be identified regarding the Capri 25 Design Class Rules, but those will only effect, and can only be voted on by, Capri 25 Members. The draft included in this thread would become the initial Design Class Rules, but only as a placeholder. Capri 25 Members, once incorporated, could then immediately begin to redraft and vote for their desired changes.

The only other controversial issue, that I'm aware of, that has been raised regards how the forum is structured and, therefore, is not an issue of governance at all.

If I'm wrong in my thinking on any of this, please don't hesitate to state your opinion.

Regards,

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Response Posted - 08/05/2005 : 05:47:52

Don, JB and Duane, Thanks for the follow ups.... I'm still not seeing where regular membership requires the owning or part owning of a Catalina 25, Catalina 250 or Capri 25.

Why is it that the word yacht was used rather than naming the three boats?

I've no legal mind, but I think the language used could be argued to be any boat that is generally referred to as a yacht...and that would include power cruisers. The inclusion of the names in the "purposes" section in my opinion does not define "yacht" in regards to membership but only serves to include these three in the purposes of the association.

The question is begged, why would one want to try to define the word in the purposes section when it can be clearly articulated in the membership section. In my opinion, if it is not clear in the membership section, then the broader definition of the word "Yacht" means what it means and invites that argument. Avoid the argument and spell the three boats out in the membership section.

Am I missing something here? Was this some mechanism to provide for the provisional membership of the Capri? If so, lets not let this bite us in the butt.

Edited by - Arlyn Stewart on 08/05/2005 06:12:30

Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 08/05/2005 : 10:13:48

What was stated here originally could have been stated with significantly less personal defensiveness by someone not so testy for other reasons at that particular moment, but the response was completely irrelevant in any case.

Edited by - Sea Trac on 08/06/2005 13:23:13

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Response Posted - 08/05/2005 : 10:55:57

JB, I love it when you talk that way.

Yes we are all used to seeing "XYZ hereinafter referred to as "the company"; but that is for documents whose readers are being paid to be alert. I like the idea of simplifying our document so people reading sections do not have to research earlier sections to be sure of what they just read.

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 08/05/2005 : 11:16:01

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Response Posted - 08/05/2005 : 15:55:49

While it is a relatively small item I can't see putting into the bylaws something that is unfair and will likely be a problem later down the road.
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">F. The Officers shall make every effort to solicit bids to hold the Nationals on an East, Central/Mountain, West, Central/Mountain, East time zone rotation in order to attempt to provide the greatest number of Regular Members a chance to compete for the title of National Champion.
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I disagree that this provision will "provide the greatest number of regular members a chance to compete". I actually think that this rotation has the opposite effect and reduces participation. I would rather see a rotation that goes East, Central, West, East or no rotation at all and leave it up to the officers to weigh the different proposals in any given year and make a decision.

At this time I am proposing to eliminate section F of part VII (nationals) from further consideration.

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Response Posted - 08/05/2005 : 18:45:39

Ray - I've queried the other Officers for their opinions on this matter.

After further reflection, I tend to agree with you. Central theoritically excludes something slightly greater than the Western quarter and something slightly greater than the Eastern quarter, thereby reducing potential Central participation to slightly greater than a third. Western theoritically excludes something slightly more than half, as does Eastern. Therefore, the slight advantage would appear to go to your proposed East/Central/West/East rotation.

We'll see what the other Officers think, but it would be great to hear from other Members, as well.

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Response Posted - 08/05/2005 : 19:57:24

Here is the modified Constitution and By-Laws incorporating the elimination of the defined term "Yacht". Hopefully, this provides a level of clarification and comfort that will allow the Members to ratify the document during the September elections process. Now, I'm going to join Aubrey and Maturin as they sail down the Red Sea to Mubarra.

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I. NAME: All Catalina Built 25 Class Association

II. OBJECTIVES: The purpose of the All Catalina Built 25 Class Association (“Association”) is
A. The promotion of the enjoyment of ownership, cruising and racing of 25’ LOA sloops built by Catalina Yachts.
B. The fair and reasonable maintenance of the value of Catalina 25, Catalina 250 and Capri 25 sloops (<s>collectively “Yachts” and</s>each individually a “Design Class”<s> “Class”</s>) through communication, education and the dissemination of information.
C. The promotion of cruising and social activities that encourage fellowship amongst members through the development of local and regional All Catalina Built 25 Class Fleets (“Fleet”).
D. The promotion of design class racing under uniform rules and regulations that will test the skill of skipper and crew through the establishment of design standards and specifications that ensure competition between boats of similar design and performance in all essential areas, such as hull lines, weights, and sail plans.
E. The cooperation with other yachting and racing organizations in the observance of, and compliance with, the rules and regulations of the Association.
F. The sanctioning, sponsorship, promotion, and coordination of an annual National Championship Regatta (“Nationals”) when such event is bid upon and held by a Fleet (Article VII).

III. MEMBERSHIP:
A. Regular Member: A Regular Member shall be defined as the owner or part owner of a <s>Yacht </s>Catalina 25, Catalina 250 or Capri 25 sloop that joins the Association, is a Corinthian (i.e., amateur of high integrity), and whose membership dues are paid current. Regular Member status shall be extended to those ownership-partners (financial, marital or otherwise) that are also Corinthians, as designated on the membership application at the time of registration. Regular Members, in good standing, may vote in elections per Article VIII, hold office per Article IV, and skipper a <s>Yacht </s>Catalina 25, Catalina 250 or Capri 25 sloop in sanctioned races in accordance with the By-Laws and Design Class Rules. Voting for revisions to Design Class Rules (Article VIIII, Section A.) may only be cast by Regular Members within the Design Class to which the Regular Member belongs.
B. Honorary Member: An Honorary Member shall be defined as any other person that joins the Association and whose membership dues are paid current. Honorary Members may not vote, may not hold office and may not skipper a <s>Yacht </s>Catalina 25, Catalina 250 or Capri 25 sloop in sanctioned races unless approved by a vote of the Officers (Article VIII, Section B).
C. Dues: Annual membership dues must be paid current in order for a Member to be considered in good standing. A vote of the Officers (Article VIII, Section B) shall be needed to adjust the annual membership dues amount, such adjustment not to occur more than once yearly, as seen fit to meet the financial needs of the Association. However, any annual increase or decrease in excess of ten percent (10%) shall be fixed by a vote of the Regular Members (Article VIII, Section A)
D. Membership Benefits: The benefits of membership include 1) those derived from the Objectives of the Association, 2) quarterly receipt of the Mainsheet Magazine, and 3) access to an Association website.

IV. OFFICERS:
A. The elected officers of the Association (“Officers”) shall be Commodore, Vice Commodore, Secretary, Treasurer, Chief Measurer and Capri 25 Measurer. The incumbent Secretary, by any means deemed effective and appropriate by the incumbent Officers, shall issue a call for nominations by August 7 (self-nominations acceptable) and shall distribute ballots prior to September 7. The election for Officers shall be completed by September 30 via a vote of the Regular Members (Article VIII, Section A). Terms of office shall commence October 1 and shall be for a period of twelve months, however, if for whatever reason elections are delayed the incumbent Officers shall serve an extended term and the elections shall be completed in as timely a manner as reasonable. No term limits shall apply.

B. For the period beginning September 30, 2005 and ending September 30, 2007 (the “Integration Trial Period”), Regular Members belonging to the Capri 25 Design Class are only eligible to hold the office of Capri 25 Measurer, but are immediately eligible to serve in any Staff position. At any time and for any reason during or after the Integration Trial Period, a majority vote of the Regular Members in good standing of the Catalina 25 Design Class and the Catalina 250 Design Class<s>es</s> may effect the disassociation of the Capri 25 Design Class from the Association, and cause all record of the Capri 25 Design Class to be stricken from the Association Constitution, By-Laws and Design Class Rules. In such instance of a Capri 25 Design Class disassociation, the annual membership dues of the Capri 25 Design Class Members shall be refunded in full for the current year.

C. Responsibilities of the Officers

COMMODORE: The Commodore shall preside at any Association or Officers Meetings, approve any annual reports or official actions of the Officers, appoint special committees as required, rule on procedure and jurisdiction, authorize expenditures and perform other functions as may be warranted for the proper management of the Association. The Commodore shall also fix the date of any Association or Officers Meetings (Article VI), and shall coordinate Association activities with other Catalina Fleets and yachting organizations.

VICE COMMODORE: The Vice Commodore shall, in the absence of the Commodore, preside and perform the duties of the Commodore, and such other duties as specified by the Commodore. The Vice Commodore shall serve as Chairman of the Nationals Organizing Committee (“NOC”) and, as such, shall solicit bids from the Fleets to host the Nationals for the following year (Article VII).

SECRETARY: The Secretary shall, in the absence of the Vice Commodore, preside and perform the duties of the Vice Commodore. The Secretary shall maintain the minutes, records and membership register of the Association, as reasonable. Furthermore, the Secretary shall be responsible for providing for the posting of the minutes, calls for meetings and nominations, and distribution of ballots, as set forth in the other sections of this document. The membership register of the Association may be reviewed by any Officer upon request being made of the Secretary.

Fleet development manuals may be obtained from the Secretary, and contain valuable information for consideration in the formation of a Fleet. The minimum requirement for the sanctioning of a new Fleet is the participation of three Regular Members of the Association; although an Officer review of the Fleet By-Laws for the applicant is desirable.

TREASURER: The Treasurer shall, in the absence of the Secretary, preside and perform the duties of the Secretary. The Treasurer shall maintain the financial records of the Association, as reasonable. Furthermore, the Treasurer shall receive dues and fees, deposit and disperse funds, prepare financial statements, and generally conduct the financial affairs of the Association. The financial records of the Association may be inspected by any Member, in good standing, for any reasonable purpose and at any reasonable time upon thirty days written notice to the Treasurer. All check expenditures shall be authorized by the signatures of any two of the following: Commodore, Vice Commodore, or Treasurer. A petty cash fund may be established by the Treasurer by a vote of the Officers (Article VIII, Section B).

CHIEF MEASURER: The Chief Measurer shall maintain the Design Class Rules, serve as Vice Chairman of the NOC, and serve as Chairman of the Class Racing Committee (“CRC”). The Chief Measurer as NOC Vice Chairman shall, in the absence of the NOC Chairman, preside and perform the duties of the NOC Chairman. Furthermore, the Chief Measurer shall make evaluations, presentations and recommendations to the Officers regarding significant or controversial changes or rulings related to the Design Class Rules or the Rules of Racing. The Chief Measurer or designate shall administer and interpret the Design Class Rules and shall supervise the measuring, recording and inspection of all sails and boats (including compliance with class rules) at Nationals.

CAPRI 25 MEASURER: The Capri 25 Measurer shall maintain the Design Class Rules in conjunction with the Chief Measurer. The Capri 25 Measurer shall, in the absence of the Chief Measurer, preside and perform the duties of the Chief Measurer, and such other duties as specified by the Chief Measurer.

D. The vacancy of an Officer position may be filled by a vote of the Officers (Article VIII, Section B).

V. STAFF:
A. Staff positions are filled by Officer appointment and may include any of the following:

MAINSHEET EDITOR: Responsible for editing, submitting and promoting Association content for inclusion in the Mainsheet Magazine

MAINSHEET Catalina C25 TECHNICAL EDITOR: Responsible for submitting Catalina C25-specific technical content to the Mainsheet Editor.

MAINSHEET Catalina C250 TECHNICAL EDITOR: Responsible for submitting Catalina C250-specific technical content to the Mainsheet Editor.

MAINSHEET CAPRI 25 TECHNICAL EDITOR: Responsible for submitting Capri 25-specific technical content to the Mainsheet Editor.

WEBMASTER: Responsible for maintenance of the Association website.

QUARTERMASTER: Responsible for maintenance of the Association store.

B. Staff members serve at the discretion of the Officers and may be removed by a vote of the Officers (Article VIII, Section B).

VI. MEETINGS:
A. An Association Meeting is defined as a gathering, physical or virtual, of the Regular Members whereby a vote of the Regular Members has been held (Article VIII, Section A).
B. An Officers Meeting is defined as a gathering, physical or virtual, of the Officers whereby a vote of the Officers has been held (Article VIII, Section B).
C. Minutes of any Association Meeting or Officers Meeting shall be posted on the website within two (2) weeks of the meeting and made available in written form upon request being made of the Secretary.

VII. NATIONALS:
A. The National Championship Regatta is an annual event hosted by a Fleet and that is sanctioned and sponsored by the Association. It is not an Association event and, therefore, is not guaranteed to occur every year.
B. The Vice Commodore, acting as NOC Chairman and by any means deemed effective and appropriate by the Officers, shall issue a call for Fleet bids to host the Nationals for the following year by April 1.
C. Fleet bids to host the Nationals shall be submitted in writing to the Vice Commodore by June 1 for a vote of the Officers (Article VIII, Section B) by June 30. If no satisfactory bid from a Fleet has been received by June 1, then bidding shall immediately be opened to non-Fleet organizations desiring to host the Nationals.
D. The Vice Commodore and the Chief Measurer serve to help the winning Fleet coordinate and promote the Nationals. Every effort will be made to secure the participation of those Fleet representatives most responsible for previously coordinating the hosting of the National Championship Regatta.
E. The Association’s sponsorship of the Nationals also comes in the form of temporarily funding upfront expenditures and deposits, and provision of a “stop gap” for any reasonable losses incurred by the Fleet for hosting the Nationals. The reasonability of such losses remains the sole discretion of the Association Officers. Additionally, the hosting Fleet shall be allowed to retain any profits generated by the event after a full accounting has been provided to the Officers.
F. The Officers shall make every effort to solicit bids to hold the Nationals on an East, Central/Mountain, West, Central/Mountain, East time zone rotation in order to attempt to provide the greatest number of Regular Members a chance to compete for the title of National Champion. If no bid has been accepted by the designated rotational time zone by June 1, then bidding will be opened to include all time zones with preference going to the time zone not most recently hosting the event. In relation to this section, Indiana shall be considered in the Eastern Time Zone, Arizona in the Central/Mountain Time Zone, and the 2006 Nationals shall begin the rotation in the Eastern Time Zone.

VIII. VOTING:
A. Regular Members Voting
1. Notice of a vote of the Regular Members in good standing will be posted on the Association’s website and in the Association’s newsletter, The TellTale.
2. Balloting shall be conducted electronically via the Association’s website, or through email for those Regular Members so requesting, over a period of not less than two weeks. Ballots for the election of Officers shall be tallied by an independent third party.
3. Voting results shall be posted by the Secretary within two weeks of the close of balloting.
4. A majority of the Regular Members responding to a ballot shall be required to carry a motion or to win an election. In the event of a tie vote, a subsequent vote of the Officers shall serve to cast the deciding vote.
5. Proxy voting shall not be allowed.
B. Officers Voting
1. A majority of the Officers responding to a motion shall be required to carry. In the event of a tie vote, the Commodore shall cast the deciding vote.

VIIII. AMENDMENTS:
A. The Constitution, By-Laws and Design Class Rules may be amended by a vote of the Regular Members (Article VIII, Section A). New rules not in conflict with the Constitution, By-Laws and Design Class Rules may be passed by a vote of the Officers (Article VIII, Section B). The Officers may also vote to simplify, clarify or correct the language of any Article, if the intent or purpose remains substantially unchanged.

X. SUSPENSION:
A. Any Officer or Member may be suspended or expelled by a vote of the Regular Members (Article VIII, Section A) for conduct or action deemed to be prejudicial or injurious to the Association.
B. Any Officer that is known to alter his membership status (Article II, Section A) is expected to surrender the office no later than the expiration of the current term.

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Response Posted - 08/08/2005 : 11:31:19

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John G-
 Oh, It's interesting that the officers found it important to add the following to the bylaws at this time'

"B. Staff members serve at the discretion of the Officers and may be removed by a vote of the Officers (Article VIII, Section B)."

It was never needed before. Why now?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

The current Officers have endeavored to add clarification in every area of the Constitution and By-Laws for the purpose of making governance of the Association less subjective. We hope the Members will benefit by having more objective criteria for the evaluation of each Officer's performance of duties, and that future Officers will benefit from a clearer understanding of their roles and responsibilities.

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Response Posted - 08/08/2005 : 14:39:19

John G. speaking as a staff member, (Mainsheet Catalina 25 Tech Editor) I was asked by the officers to volunteer, appointed by officers and expect to be replaced by the action of an officer, (whether per my request or otherwise); how else could it be? Clarification of the process only makes it more clear to new members and others seeking info on the processes of our association.

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Response Posted - 08/11/2005 : 06:33:44

I just read Arlyn's comments about the IdaSailor kickup rudder for the 250, and his observation that there are multiple rudders available for all these boats: balanced, unbalanced, etc.

Inasmuch as I have just broken my old original C25 rudder, and CD and CY have NONE in stock, I was thinking seriously about buying the C25 rudder from IdaSailor (it's $399, not the 700+ that someone just reported paying for a balanced rudder)... It is solid plastic, with no core to rot or swell, and it has a lifetime warranty.

The only thing holding me back is the fact that it is not "class legal" for racing as defined by the rules. Inasmuch as we are hardly "One Design" as it is, what with fins/wings/swings, WB, WK 250s the whole bit, what would it take to allow the use of the IdaSailor rudder on a 25? It is not "balanced" with material ahead of the pintles. I have NOT sailed one, nor raced with one, so I cannot speak to its efficiency. But I would be more likely to buy the sucker if I thought I could use it in One Design racing and Nationals.. I would love opinions here. Is it too late to do this (provisionally even?) this time around? I suspect that these rudders might become quite popular, on the basis of price alone.

I just sent Duane a similar email. He has verified what Bill Meinert said earlier and what i already know from experience in the last two Nationals and that is a lack of any serious measurement of competing boats Only in Portland did we measure sails, and even then not mains. And in neither of the last two Nationals have rudders been looked at, let alone measured. I rather wonder if it would REALLY make a significant difference. Thoughts? I would like to try this rudder, but I would not want to be protested or DSQ'd for it.....

Gary Bruner
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Response Posted - 08/11/2005 : 08:07:34

Gary – In order to make a determination on any rudder, we will need to know the stats (size, weight etc) in order to allow something as class legal, or otherwise. My initial thought regarding these, since most rudders delam, break or degrade long before the boat is that we need to do something. Especially since Catalina has made multiple rudders for these vessels over the years.

If the current rudder is no larger than the original, in length, height, width, chord length on the leading edge and trailing edge then I would have no problem making a motion to include such a rudder.

Weight issues can easily be dealt with by mandating ballast be carried aft to account for anything lighter than the original.

I will do some research regarding rudder specifications at other one design associations. And get back the the group.

If in the meantime, you can get me the measurements of the new rudder and the dimensions of any of the old rudders for reference.

Thanks
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Response Posted - 08/11/2005 : 21:31:13

Nationals Rotation -- Three of five Officers have agreed to revert to the original, unofficial rotation of East/Central/West/East. In due fairness to the Central Members that have had their expectations set for a 2007 Central Nationals (e.g., Canyon Lake), the language in the new Constitution and By-Laws has been changed to read:

F. The Officers shall make every effort to solicit bids to hold the Nationals on an East, Central/Mountain, West, <s>Central/Mountain, </s>East time zone rotation in order to attempt to provide the greatest number of Regular Members a chance to compete for the title of National Champion. If no bid has been accepted by the designated rotational time zone by June 1, then bidding will be opened to include all time zones with preference going to the time zone not most recently hosting the event. In relation to this section, Indiana shall be considered in the Eastern Time Zone, Arizona in the Central/Mountain Time Zone, and the 2006 Nationals shall begin the rotation in the Eastern Time Zone.

Rudders, Race Rules, etc. -- For the sake of clarity, Design Class Rules, Racing Rules, etc. are issues separate from the Constitution and By-Laws. Through the new Class Racing Committee, as proposed in the new Constitution and By-Laws to be chaired by the Chief Measurer, we will now have a forum for discussing and modifying these rules. One suggestion might be for voluntary Vice Chairs and subcommittees for each of the Design Classes. Design Class Rules can be voted on at anytime, but ONLY by Members of each Design Class.

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Response Posted - 08/22/2005 : 19:41:34

Please vote "yes" on the new proposed bylaws. The old ones are hopelessly outdated and are to blame for the various problems and "flame wars" we have had in recent years.

Please vote "yes". Your officers, and J.B. in particular, have worked long and hard on this document.

Also buy something from the store if you want to keep it.

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Response Posted - 08/30/2005 : 12:29:09

"CONSTITUTION AND BY-LAWS

I. NAME: All Catalina Built 25 Class Association"

It may be just me, but I find the new proposed name of the association, the "All Catalina Built 25 Class Association" to be a bit clunky. When I try to envision this new title in the Mainsheet above our section or in the table of contents, it comes off a little odd.

I think a name like, the "Catalina/Capri 25/250 Association", or something like that, sounds like it pertains more towards our boats whereas the proposed name sounds like we are naming the association after the factory that made them.

Just a thought.

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Response Posted - 08/30/2005 : 13:20:46

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 "CONSTITUTION AND BY-LAWS

I. NAME: All Catalina Built 25 Class Association"

It may be just me, but I find the new proposed name of the association, the "All Catalina Built 25 Class Association" to be a bit clunky. When I try to envision this new title in the Mainsheet above our section or in the table of contents, it comes off a little odd.

I think a name like, the "Catalina/Capri 25/250 Association", or something like that, sounds like it pertains more towards our boats whereas the proposed name sounds like we are naming the association after the factory that made them.

Just a thought.
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I agree with you. Your name is better.

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Response Posted - 08/30/2005 : 13:36:56

I do, too. As a matter of fact, it was originally the new name we started with for the earliest drafts, but somewhere along the way we changed it.

It would be nice to have as much input as possible on this immediately, since the ballots are going to have to be prepared very soon.

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Response Posted - 08/30/2005 : 13:44:28

"Catalina/Capri 25/250 Association"

That's the one I prefer. Covers all the bases, doesn't pin us to a "national" designation, thus unintentionally disenfranchising non US residents.

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