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seastream
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Initially Posted - 08/05/2005 :  16:13:42  Show Profile  Visit seastream's Homepage
My understanding is that Catalina offers in mast furling with it's later models. I'm wondering which furling system is better. I've heard that with in boom furling, if the furling mechanism breaks you can still drop the main and secure it manually. With in mast furling, that's not possible. Input, please?

Bob
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/05/2005 :  16:42:56  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
Battens are fare less affected by in-boom furling. Battens = sail shape to me.
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 08/05/2005 :  18:26:37  Show Profile
With in-mast furling you cannot have battens. The main is flatter than a pancake (even flatter than Kansas! ) and cannot be "shaped" (I know - I tried my best to do it for him).
We have a member who had in-mast furling on a Beneteau 331 and gave up attempting to race with it - he bought a new main and installed a "proper" track.
Having said that, I have no experience with in-boom furling - but it has to be better than the in-mast!
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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 08/06/2005 :  06:45:40  Show Profile
I'd love to have in-boom furling: you can have full battens, and gravity is pretty darn dependable if the furling mechanism breaks. If the furler does break, you don't have to climb the mast (or drop it) to fix it. What's not to like?

Brooke
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tinob
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Response Posted - 08/06/2005 :  08:37:55  Show Profile
I agree with all that's been said above and would add slso that weight up the mast is not advisable on a tall rig, wing keeled cat when there is the option to have it all stored in the boom.

Val on Calista # 3936
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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 08/06/2005 :  10:12:28  Show Profile  Visit aeckhart's Homepage
Doyle now makes a main with verticle battens for in-mast furlers. I have not heard anything regarding performance however.

We also had a club member who had in-mast furling on a First 331. Despite a very respectable PHRF rating, he was verrrrry slow and plodding. They have since sold and bought a J105.
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ronrryan
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Response Posted - 08/06/2005 :  14:03:43  Show Profile
At the risk of being contrarian, if one does NOT race and Does want to roller furl the main, one can seek out an old obsolete Schaeffer wire-luff roller furler, have a sail recut with no roach to the leech, and a wire, and install it on the mast for mainfurling, of course, one needs some turning blocks, etc to furl and unfurl. A friend and I installed one on a Caliber 28 for $700 all inclusive, including the sail (used, WITH sunbrella sunshield.) This, as opposed to $7000 as a quote. Did the luff sag? you betcha. Did the 75-year old owner , having fallen on deck twice (one's balance starts to go, just ask me) love it, and never go on deck again to take in sail? You betcha. Yer actions depends on yer needs. Fair winds, ron Orion srsk #2343 SW FL
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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 08/06/2005 :  14:28:02  Show Profile
<font color="blue">... Yer actions depends on yer needs. - Ron</font id="blue">

Well put, Ron!

'Interesting idea, too.
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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 08/08/2005 :  09:53:57  Show Profile  Visit aeckhart's Homepage
I applaud any 75 year old who is still sailing. We have an 85 year old sailing an O'day 19 in our club. However, I for one prefer to at least attain designed hull speed on occasion. A battenless main does not allow this to happen, thus Doyle's attempt to achieve sail shape with the vertical battens.

A good reefing system will keep the owner in the cockpit when reefing the main. I seldom go forward of the cockpit anymore except to anchor, catch and release my mooring, and set my asymetric spinnaker.
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