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BarryCooper
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Initially Posted - 12/16/2005 :  12:29:13  Show Profile
I am not new to boating but new to sailboats. My wife bought a 1985 Catalina 25 for Christmas for $1000. Below is a description of the boat: Boat has been sitting in fresh water for 10 years and has not been moved. The boat was in BRAND NEW condition when it was parked. Does not look brand-new now. Hull is perfect and gelcoat is not hurt. Bleach and a good buff will bring it out. Interior will be in excellent shape after I remove the 5 tons of mud brought in by dirt-daubers and wasps. Removable carpet will have to be thrown away. Seat cushions need aired out but look fresh. All wood is in good shape but needs heavy cleaning. Interior is very dry with no leaks over the years. Rudder and tiller are missing. Needs two new batteries. Needs a port-a-potty. Needs sail and all cables (I think this is called "rigging"). Needs motor. Small tube railing around cockpit area is broken and needs replaced. Here are my questions? Is this boat worth restoring? Approx. how much will it cost to get the above listed missing items? If there is a cable that raises and lowers something underneath the boat, is this called a swing keel? Which is better...Swing keel or stationary keel? Is there a diagram I can find that names the main parts of a sailboat so I can understand what you older sailors are talking about? Boom? Mast? Keel? Things of this nature. I learn fast. Any post would be appreciated. Please speak English to me. Ha ha. Regards, Barry




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djn
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Response Posted - 12/16/2005 :  13:16:27  Show Profile
Hi Barry, sounds just like my boat of two months. Where do you live? If you call Catalina, they can tell you what configuration you have. I think $1000.00 is a good price as it sounds like you need 90% elbow grease and 10% money to get it in working order. When you replace the rubber, get the balanced one. Yes, the cable lifts and lowers the swing keel. Most of what you need can be had new or used. You can go to the Manuals link on the home page and look at the manual for your boat. You should buy the Catalina Direct hankbook which is about 50/50 info and cataloge....but is worth its weight. I am fairly new to this forum but can tell you that the people here are very helpful and knowledgeable. Very willing to help. Tell us were you live and maybe one of us would be willing to spend some time at your boat looking at what needs to be done, what should be done , and what would be cool to do. I know I would volunteer. Cheers and congrats.

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djn
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Response Posted - 12/16/2005 :  13:18:03  Show Profile
P.S., look in the swapmeet forum. There a post for a C25 being parted out. Might have what you need. Cheers.

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Response Posted - 12/16/2005 :  13:48:00  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
I have not said this in a while, I say it often. It is genuine heartfelt advise. I strongly recomend that new owners of a Catalina 25 read the last year's worth of posts. It will take half a day but it will bring you up to speed on so many things that the caliber of your questions and the value of the answers to you will rise dramatically. I had not sailed in over 10 years when I bought my boat and it refreshed my vocabulary and memories. It helps you discover which projects are "must do" and whether your boat needs a particular one. Start with the 25 forum, go to the general forum, and go ahead and do the 250 forum, (you will be glad you did). Several of us maintain project pages on the web, most who do provide a link like mine in their signature. Remember, every newbies goal is to learn and share, this helps you do both.

Barry, I am a visual guy and found great value in studying photos of other boats. I have literally never seen two Catalina 25s the same. If I had your boat and needed to have sternrail work done I would look at the sternrails on the '89s (like mine) and see if the welder could mod yours to be like those. It will improve your traveler and several other things. OR if you look at the picture of the yellow boat I posted yesterday in a thread about water depth and keels and rudders and such you will see that you can toss the sternrail and go with simple handholds... stuff like that, study pictures of other boats, spot the differnces and decide if you want to repair your issues or upgrade to different configurations. Being a non-sailor you really need to emerse yourself until you grok some of this or you will simply be arbitrarily taking random advise. If this bug bites you this will turn a serindiptous event (wife buying boat) into a life altering event. Enjoy.

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PamC
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Response Posted - 12/16/2005 :  14:03:57  Show Profile
Welcome Barry,

As far as getting up to speed on sailing my two favorite basic texts are :
The Complete Sailor:Learning the Art of Sailing by David Seidman easily digestible and cool illustrations.

Colgate's Basic Sailing Theory by Stephen Colgate Good text that explains sailing theory.

Sounds like a good deal on the boat, especially if you take well to projects. You'll learn A LOT from this forum. I start each of my projects now by searching the forums, being sure to check the little box on the search screen to include archives.

If there is a winch behind your companionway steps you have a swing keel. As you will learn from reading these forums each keel has plus' and minus'. We have a swing keel and it works well for us. But it is another system to maintain.

We've had ours just over a year now and she's our first real sailboat. It's been a great boat for us to learn how to sail. But one of the best things about owning a Catalina 25 is the help this forum provides especially if you are new to sailing and sailboats. It's a very valuable tool to have on your side.

Best of luck, you got a GREAT Christmas present as it can unlock a whole world of joy for the two of you.

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Response Posted - 12/16/2005 :  14:21:06  Show Profile  Visit JimB517's Homepage
Barry, where do you really live? You could probably benefit greatly from having one of our experienced members stop by and go look at the boat with you.

From what you are saying, I think you'll need a budget of about $5000 to bring the boat back : rudder, tiller, motor, sails, new keel cable and turning ball if its a swinger, new running rigging, maybe some new standing rigging, new interior cushions and carpet, lots of elbow grease cleaning, recaulk windows, etc.

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BarryCooper
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Response Posted - 12/16/2005 :  14:48:39  Show Profile
I don't know why my post suggests I live in Ukrain. I live in Tyler, Texas which is NorthEast Texas. Would love to have one of you guys come and spend some time with me and the boat to get me started. My phone number is 903 360 4700. This is my private cell number. Fhopper, I will take your advise and begin reading. Regards,
Barry

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 12/16/2005 :  15:45:29  Show Profile
Hi Barry,

Before you dive into all of the info posted on this Forum, I would suggest you first get some more basic info. Take a look at the C-25 Manuals (both the old and the new versions) ... they will help get you up to speed with the equipment, systems, and terminology ... here is a link:

[url="http://www.catalina25-250.org/manbro/manbro.html"]C-25 Manuals & Brochures[/url]

After you've had a chance to learn more about the boat in the manuals, you might also take a look at our "Tech Tips" section for the C-25 ... "Shopping for a C-25" and "Self-appraising a C-25" might be of particular interest to you, and you can pick and choose among the other topics to see the many upgrades owners have done to their boats ... here is a link:

[url="http://www.catalina25-250.org/tech/tech25/tech25.html"]C-25 Tech Tips[/url]

It sounds to me like you've found a real diamond in the rough ... good luck with her ... keep us posted on your progress, and ask lots of questions.

Welcome to the group!

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djn
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Response Posted - 12/16/2005 :  17:05:39  Show Profile
Hi Barry, you also should ping Boatgt. He has a parts boat and might be able to help. Cheers.

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BarryCooper
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Response Posted - 12/16/2005 :  19:37:44  Show Profile
djn, what does ping Boatgt mean? I really want to do it. Sounds like fun. Never tried it before. Could possibly make me a new man. Bet I'll win the president election after I "ping Boatgt". Just don't know what it is. Humor, humor, humor.

Buzz Maring, I was just about to start printing all the forums 'till I saw your link to the manuals. GREAT IDEA. After I read the manuals, then I will wear out my printer.

Tell you what folks, you all are ultra friendly at this sight. I promote xtreme fights (cage fighting) and their forums are a bit rude at times. I am going to take photos of my new boat this weekend and post them on this sight. As I progress and ask for advice, I'll update the photos to display the progress of your new student. Can't wait to sail. Regards, Barry

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/16/2005 :  20:00:10  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by BarryCooper</i>
<br />...My phone number is 903 360 XXXX. This is my private cell number.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Not any more!

Congratualations and welcome to the fleet, Barry!

I'm glad you followed my advice and came over...like I said, you'll not find a better group of sailors anywhere.

I started out sailing pretty much the same way you have...There I was one cold, frozen January day when all of a sudden I became a sailboat owner without ever having set foot on a sailboat in my life. What did I know about sailing?...Nothing

Sheets? Things you slept on...Blocks? Things your kids played with...Pulpit? Where a preacher stood...

The first thing I did after dragging that boat home was head to the book store where I bought a couple of books on basic sailing plus a Chapman's Seamanship book. The next 4 month's consisted of me learning sailing theory while trying to make heads or tails of all the pieces on the boat. Prior to my May launch, I sailed numerous times in the comfort of my backyard sort of like using a sailing simulator. I even developed a preflight checklist so I wouldn't forget any details during the excitement of that first time out(1: Lower keel (In <b>BOLD</b>!)...2. Head into wind...3. Raise main...etc.

So get some books, search the internet, learn what you can before heading out and...oh, I almost forgot...get the movie Captain Ron!

Here's a couple of links you might find helpful...

[url="http://www.sailnet.com/collections/learningtosail/startingout/index.cfm"]Learning to Sail: Starting Out[/url]

[url="http://www.sailnet.com/collections/articles/index.cfm?articleid=matthe205"]Great Books for Beginners[/url]

[url="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000065V3P.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg"]Sailing Essentials DVD[/url]

Again, welcome aboard!


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BarryCooper
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Response Posted - 12/16/2005 :  20:10:31  Show Profile
dlucier, Yes I took your advice and switched forums. Told you I was a good student. Real Quick....Can I use a high pressure washer to completely spray the INSIDE of the boat? Will the water drain? Barry

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/16/2005 :  20:25:36  Show Profile
A wife who buys her man a boat for Christmas is definitely a keeper! Give her a hug for all of us.

If water gets inside a boat it can do a lot of damage. The fact that yours is dry inside after 10 years is a good sign that it may be sound.

Your boat has "standing rigging" and "running rigging." The stainless steel cables that hold up the mast are the "standing rigging." The ropes and perhaps wires that go up the mast and are used to raise and lower the sails, and the other ropes that are used to control the sails, are called the "running rigging." (i.e., they "run" through pulleys and blocks.)

The fact that your boat has been kept in fresh water means that the standing rigging is probably in good condition. The two things that are most likely to cause your standing rigging to deteriorate is if it corrodes, or if the boat is sailed a lot and the constant flexing wears them out. In a fresh water environment, corrosion hardly affects them at all, and if it hasn't been sailed, then they probably haven't been worn out by flexing. You can generally check their condition by carefully running the standing rigging between your fingers, from one end to the other. If you feel any sharp wires or barbs sticking out, that is a sign that one or more of the wires comprising the cable is broken. If even one wire is broken, that cable should be replaced.

You probably need to replace most of your running rigging, and the kind of rope that is used for running rigging is more expensive than ordinary rope, but there are places where you can buy it at discount, and it won't be that much of an expense. Any running rigging that has been stored out of the sun and weather is probably fine. The only thing that seriously degrades modern running rigging is exposure to sunlight.

It sounds like the only big expense (other than a motor) will be sails. There are lots of alternatives. You can buy top-of-the-line racing or cruising sails, or you can buy less expensive, off-brand sails that will be serviceable for probably 8-10 years, or you can look for used sails that are advertised occasionally on our "swap meet," or you can buy used sails from one of the used sail dealers. If you want to get into serious racing, you should buy good quality racing sails. Otherwise, what I would suggest is that you see if you can find good used sails at a reasonable price. Whatever you can't find in a good used sail, you should then buy new. Used sails don't have to be made specifically for use on a C25, as long as they have dimensions that will fit your boat. Some of the members of the forum may be able to suggest other types of boats whose sails will fit a C25.

There's some risk in buying a boat that has been neglected that long, but, as Buzz said, you might have gotten a real gem. The C25 is a nice boat.

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djn
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Response Posted - 12/16/2005 :  20:50:21  Show Profile
Hi Barry, to PING someone means to post a note in this and the other forums with the subject "PING---Boatgt" This is just a way of getting someones attention online. Then you can discuss with him your needs.

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 12/17/2005 :  07:22:59  Show Profile
You can also click on Boatgt name and send him an email through the forum.

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Response Posted - 12/17/2005 :  08:25:07  Show Profile
Barry, congratulations on your boat! While your rehab project is in the works, I would highly recommend going sailing with other people. Contact a local sailing organization...hang out around their boats...let them know you're willing to crew. It's amazing how much you will learn and, the best part, I'd bet they're a fun group of people.

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Response Posted - 12/17/2005 :  14:00:48  Show Profile
Barry,

If you're interested, a tall rig main sail just popped up in the Swap Meet forum. Do you know if your boat is a standard or tall rig?

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boatgt
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Response Posted - 12/17/2005 :  17:21:04  Show Profile
Hello,
Boatgt here. I have a parts boat that may have some of the stuff you need. I am using it to fix (upgrade) the boat I have now and was going to sell off stuff I don’t need. I know I have an extra rudder and a main sail. Post some pictures of your boat. If everybody can see what you are dealing with it may be easier to help suggest where you start. Don't get discouraged by the big $$$ prices on boat stuff. Some things you will have to buy new but many things you can get used then upgrade them to new later! Another book I found helpful was Royce's Sailing Illustrated.
Gene
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BarryCooper
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Response Posted - 12/18/2005 :  00:57:51  Show Profile
Hey Team, I had a sailor check out the boat with me today. We learned it is a 1986 instead of a 1985. I do need a boom. He said what you all said...Diamond in the ruff and I have a great boat to start with. He was very impressed with how dry it was on the inside and how everything seemed undisturbed.
boatgt, I am about to email you.
Everybody else....I live in Tyler, Texas which is North East Texas. The sailor helping me said I need a trailor built for the Catalina 25' with a swing keel to trailor the boat to my house. The cable to the swing keel is broken. He explained as I trailor the boat, perhaps the keel will retract. Does anybody know where I can buy, rent or borrow a trailor for 2 months?
I will take photos Monday of my wife and I in the boat and post on this forum. Merry Christmas to all. Barry

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Response Posted - 12/18/2005 :  07:30:08  Show Profile
Ah ha The trailer issue..........That is a tough nut to crack. A swing or wing keel trailer will work but....(you knew this was coming) the keel needs to be up to get it on the trailer! Trailers for the 25 are pretty specific and expensive. Not too many around. You may be better off getting everything done that you can and then go to the yard for a period to get the rest. You may get lucky with someone having a "spare" trailer but dont hold your breath on this. Either way a haulout is in your future.

Tom.

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Response Posted - 12/18/2005 :  09:00:01  Show Profile
The trailer doesn't have to be built specifically for a C25. Boat trailers are adjustable to fit different types of boats, but it isn't always easy to readjust an older trailer with rusty bolts. An alternative might be to find a flat bed trailer and a boat cradle, and mount the cradle on the trailer. You could build your own cradle out of wood, but you'd have to know enough about construction to design it so that it's strong enough. I've never seen plans for a wooden cradle for a C25. It would be best to repair the keel mechanism before you make the move. Once the boat is on the cradle, you can crank the keel down, allowing it to rest on the bed of the trailer. That would take some of the weight off the hull.

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Response Posted - 12/18/2005 :  10:17:02  Show Profile  Visit Champipple's Homepage
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by BarryCooper</i>
I am not new to boating but new to sailboats. My wife bought a 1985 Catalina 25 for Christmas for $1000. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
<font color="red">
That sounds like the story of the Flying Wasp – almost verbatim. I would concentrate on getting her ready to safely sail first, then deal with the aesthetics.</font id="red">

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Rudder and tiller are missing. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
<font color="red"> tillers run 50 bucks, rudders run 500 or more. If you can’t find one for a Catalina 25, look for any sailboat 24-26 ft with a rudder that attaches with pintles and gudgeons. (sailor talk for rudder hinges.) You won’t be able to race her in class races, but you’re a ways away from racing</font id="red">


<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Needs two new batteries. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
<font color="red"> $30 -50 bucks and up – Costco, Sams Club, etc. Marine/RV batteries are not the same as car batteries. You’ll probably get away with one at first – if you don’t night sail, which you probably shouldn’t until your comfortable day sailing. – you really don’t need any. – but for emergencies, one is always helpful </font id="red">


<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Needs a port-a-potty.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
<font color="red"> That is a matter of opinion; I wouldn’t sink the money into the head first. A bucket will cover you while you put your $$$ into expenses associated with getting her ready to sail.</font id="red">
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Needs sail and all cables (I think this is called "rigging"). <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

<font color="red">rigging is correct. That is going to be one of your major purchases. Look to spend about 600 to 800 bucks. Check with Catalina Direct (on our association links page) Also get a quote from a local rigger or sailmaker that does rigging. This is not an area to skimp. Also Did you get any lines (rope) with the boat?

Sails will cost you about 1400 new. For now, you can get by spending about 300, and get new sails as you learn. Plus, if you rip one or something happens to one, it’s a cheap sail that gets the brunt of your learning. Look at the used sail lofts on the web, some are on the assn links page. Also check out our swap meet forum.</font id="red">

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Needs motor. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
<font color="red">Matter of opinion you really don’t need one, but you probably will want one. 6-9.9 hp I have an 8. Plenty of options to choose from.</font id="red">

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Small tube railing around cockpit area is broken and needs replaced. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> <font color="red"> Do you mean the pulpit? That will be another couple of hundred.</font id="red">

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Here are my questions? Is this boat worth restoring?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> <font color="red">YES</font id="red"> <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Approx. how much will it cost to get the above listed missing items?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"><font color="red">2 grand to 5 grand depending on your choices. Just never go cheap when safety is concerned.</font id="red">

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> If there is a cable that raises and lowers something underneath the boat, is this called a swing keel? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
<font color="red">YES</font id="red">
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Which is better...Swing keel or stationary keel? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
<font color="red"> Stationary keels are called Fixed keels, they come in wing and Fin. Neither is better, especially since your boat was sitting in fresh water. Each has its advantages and disadvantages.</font id="red">
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Is there a diagram I can find that names the main parts of a sailboat so I can understand what you older sailors are talking about? Boom? Mast? Keel? Things of this nature. I learn fast. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
<font color="red"> There are tons of resources on the web. Check out old posts like Frank mentioned, look at our tech tips. Look at the parts manual, you’ll pick up a ton of the nomenclature from that. Go to Boat US and request a catalog, do the same at Harken and Layline. They are all free.
www.boatus.com www.harken.com www.layline.com Once you get up and moving, go to www.catalinadirect.com and purchase one of their owners manuals. Also go out and get this book - </font id="red"> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743273087/qid=1134917570/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/002-4030087-2213644?n=507846&s=books&v=glance



It’s used to teach the US Sailing basic Keelboating class, or at least it used to be the textbook. It has everything you’ll need to get the basics.

and join the assn.

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Response Posted - 12/18/2005 :  10:54:20  Show Profile
We do have the dimensions for a steel cradle in the tech tips section of our website. All you would have to do is design a strong wooden cradle to those dimensions. Those dimensions are for either a fin or wing keel, but the swinger could be transported on the cradle designed for the wing keel.

The cradle in tech tips can be found at the following hyperlink:

http://www.catalina25-250.org/tech/tech25/tt011.html

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Response Posted - 12/18/2005 :  11:07:54  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
Tyler Texas, is that pan handle? I came across a fellow on OKC with the right attitude for trailers. Contact him if you like...
Frank,
At our shop we build trailers that have the load carrying capacity a customer requests and are custom made to fit the owner's boat. We download the specs, create a three-dimensional view of the boat, then add crossbraces to the trailer where ever an adjustable steel upright support must be located.
Although most sailboat trailers have pipe-type upright supports, pipes use a bolt-type clamp which can slip. We recommend square steel because it is stronger and is available with a full length series of holes on 1" centers. A steel pin through those holes will never slip.
Unless a customer specifies otherwise, we mount our axles on an adjustable "rail " system which allows the customer to slide the entire axle system forward or backward. Tongue weight can be increased or decreased easily in that manner.
Typically our prices are less than half the cost of other new trailers because we own our land and building and we don't have a fancy showroom to increase our overhead.
A reconfigured trailer saves a minimum of $ 1,000 in the overall steel cost and at least $ 500 in labor cost. Once painted, new steel and used steel look the same and, of course, have the same strength.
As is the case with a new trailer, we add crossbraces to the trailer where ever a steel upright support must be located. Then we build and install new adjustable upright supports with large carpeted pads on steel swivels. So the trailer is no longer a "used " trailer.
But some people just prefer to only buy "new ".
The axles on many locally purchased trailers are of good quality and just need the bearings packed with new grease. New axles (6,000 lb) with brakes average $ 600 each (our cost), which does not include new tires.
If a boat is to be stored and not taken on monthly long distance road trips, then new tires are a waste of money because they will gradually develop cracks on the sides and deteriorate at the same rate as used tires.
We send work-in-progress photos during construction so our customers can actually see their trailer being built. I've attached a close-up photo of one of our recent deliveries.
We enjoy what we do, and we're good at it. Email or call us if we can fulfill your needs. Our shop phone is 405-789-0288 and my home-office phone is 405-752-0288. We look forward to hearing from you.........
Larry Gray

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Response Posted - 12/18/2005 :  11:18:51  Show Profile
Hi Barry, when I bought my boat, the stern pulpit was broken as well. Upon closer inspection, I found three peices that where broken and replaced them at West Marine. With those three peices broken, the whole thing looked out of wack. Cheers.

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Response Posted - 12/18/2005 :  16:57:09  Show Profile
Thanks again to all. Question? With my boat in the water, how do I repair the broken cable on the swing keel if the cable is broken on the keel end?
Barry
PS GREEEAT idea on the flatbed trailor. I worked with flatbeds all my life and have seen many boat stands to be had.

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